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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:29:08 PM ---It proves plenty. The Rambam is saying that having a wicked Kingdom of Israel is better than having no state and being subjugated by foreigners such as the Greek-Syrians.
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No thats what YOU are saying, that sentence doesn't prove this. If he wanted to say what you are saying then he would have said it exactly like that.
Where, anywhere in Torah (Written and Oral) does it say to praise the wicked? In fact the opposite, we have to Hate the wicked, allthought at the same time try to get them back on the proper path.
(read my signature below, and what King David says- infact he says this a lot in Tehillim).
jdl4ever:
Well, if the Rambam thought like the Satmurs, he would have said that Chanukah shouldn't be celebrated since we fought against the occupiers of Israel before the Massiah and brought a wicked kingdom to Israel in the near future.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:29:08 PM ---It proves plenty. The Rambam is saying that having a wicked Kingdom of Israel is better than having no state and being subjugated by foreigners such as the Greek-Syrians.
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Thank you.
For your dead on analysis.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 10:33:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:29:08 PM ---It proves plenty. The Rambam is saying that having a wicked Kingdom of Israel is better than having no state and being subjugated by foreigners such as the Greek-Syrians.
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No thats what YOU are saying, that sentence doesn't prove this. If he wanted to say what you are saying then he would have said it exactly like that.
Where, anywhere in Torah (Written and Oral) does it say to praise the wicked? In fact the opposite, we have to Hate the wicked, allthought at the same time try to get them back on the proper path.
(read my signature below, and what King David says- infact he says this a lot in Tehillim).
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No, Tzvi.
The Rambam makes it very clear what he means.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 10:37:27 PM ---Well, if the Rambam thought like the Satmurs, he would have said that Chanukah shouldn't be celebrated since we fought against the occupiers of Israel before the Massiah and brought a wicked kingdom to Israel in the near future.
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Ha!!!!!!!!!!
So true.
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