Any vote for Huckabee now.. Actually helps McCain

[christians4jews]

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HARD SKULL I AM VOTING FOR MITT NEXT TUESDAY.   You havent defeated me you yet to show any valid proof to show why anyone should vote for Huckabee you can't cause at this point there isn't any.  Rudy is out anyways what is Huckabee hanging around for??

i see you didnt answer my questions yet again....

[MasterWolf1]

And I still would settle for A Romney over a Huckabee anyone this soft on crime does raise a red flag.   So if he hears a convicted rapist or killer claim they are an over night christian then he will give them pardons?  You need a bit more solid evidence then that and Marzutra may have a point there Huckster is an elitest in disguise.  Am I thrilled with Romney no of course not but he does stop McCain.  Huckabee WILL NOT be able to defeat McCain.  Not in the North East not int he West Coast thats for sure And Cali is a dominating state in any election.

[MarZutra]

If I was an American I'd be voting for Ron Paul in all honesty.

[MasterWolf1]

Huckabee's softness on Illegal immigration and his history of high tax busting he raised more then Clinton did when he was Gov.  So Marzutra you are correct on Huckabee's illegal immigration policies.  A vote for Huckabee actually helps McCain.  Maybe you can explain this to C4J he doesn't get it.

[MarZutra]

Well, MW, I don't support any real candidate as I see them all, pretty much, as frauds.  The sad thing as, like most elections in the past 30 years, have been frauds.  People don't see that the Establisment is doing everything they can to have the most Liberal "Conservative" be the candidate agaisnt the "winner" between Clinton and Obama, so the swing vote will go to a Liberal...  But really, who cares, because, as I stated earlier, all those candidates are either CFR or members of these like minded elitist organizations.  This includes Romney.....sadly.  If it were between Romney and Huckabee, I'd probably choose Romney but I see very little difference...especially after when either becomes elected president.  Bush was supposed to be Conservative...and is more liberal/Socialist than Bill Clinton....

I think if one reviews the specificities surrounding Barry Goldwater's '64 Presidential run, they will soon conclude likewise...

[MasterWolf1]

Well, MW, I don't support any real candidate as I see them all, pretty much, as frauds.  The sad thing as, like most elections in the past 30 years, have been frauds.  People don't see that the Establisment is doing everything they can to have the most Liberal "Conservative" be the candidate agaisnt the "winner" between Clinton and Obama, so the swing vote will go to a Liberal...  But really, who cares, because, as I stated earlier, all those candidates are either CFR or members of these like minded elitist organizations.  This includes Romney.....sadly.  If it were between Romney and Huckabee, I'd probably choose Romney but I see very little difference...especially after when either becomes elected president.  Bush was supposed to be Conservative...and is more liberal/Socialist than Bill Clinton....

I think if one reviews the specificities surrounding Barry Goldwater's '64 Presidential run, they will soon conclude likewise...

Oh heck, even Reagan had his flaws.  As far as defeating McCain we better use our brains on this.   It is right now a horse race between McPain and Romney.  I have a few quirks about Paul I am not thrilled about.  The StørmFrønt thing for one and his stance about Islamic wackos. 

[MasterWolf1]

And I see Mike Huckabee a combination of both Bush's Father and Carter rolled together,  I was a baby at the time when Carter was in office but saw how this country was on the verge of finanical fall out with him.  And now with today's dollar is really taking a beating.  Do we really need to relive the late 70s all over again, or early 90s?

[MarZutra]

I think a good way to understand modern US politics is to read "Shadows of Power" by James Perloff or even "The Insiders" by John F. McManus.   

[MasterWolf1]

I think now we must have a crash run with Super Tuesday it will make or break this is it.  Our actual last moment to stop McCain.  I have no choice to hold my nose on this one and go for Mitt, he reminds me of a policed car salesman though.  But he is a successfull business man and our economy and the all mighty dollar is in huge trouble. 

[Dr. Dan]

What we have is the following if it is pointed out in the media

On the Demoncrat side we have Socialists and some who are close to becoming communists.

On the Republican side we have Liberals and Conservatives.

If the Republicans were to split to Liberal and Conservative then some Demoncrat Liberals who are anti-socialist would join that Liberal party and the Conservatives would have one of their own.

What the media doesn't do enough of is expose teh Demoncrats as socialists...they are no long liberals.. The real liberals are the Mccains and Guilianis.  I prefer a liberal over a socialist any day.  But woudl much rather have a conservative.

[RationalThought110]

I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul.  MassuhD may well be right....

Ron Paul doesn't expect to win the nomination.  He's done much better so far than he ever expected to do.  He already filed paperwork to run for re-election for his congressional position. 

[Dr. Dan]

I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul.  MassuhD may well be right....

Ron Paul doesn't expect to win the nomination.  He's done much better so far than he ever expected to do.  He already filed paperwork to run for re-election for his congressional position. 

only one thing i can admire Ron Paul for is that he sticks to his guns no matter how unpopular.  He seems like the honest type.

However, his way in his foreign policy is the wrong way.

[RationalThought110]

I think factually correct history dictates that one needs a totally unaffiliated individual to run as if one looks at the past history of winners of the Presidency they've won on "rightwing" issues.  Even Jimmy Carter preached right wing Christian American propaganda to allow him to win, Bush as well.  How did it turn out?  Bush, who is supposedly a "right wing" "christian" was the most Leftwing President in American History.  He's expanded the government and championed more Socialist causes than Bill Clinton....but does it matter?  No not really because they are all members of the same, like minded, international socialist/Elitist organizations...  point....

The media continues to portray Bush Jr. as someone who is a "right wing" Christian. 

[RationalThought110]

you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...

What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....

I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Huckabee and Bill Clinton never ran against each other.

And Rudy never ran against Hillary.

[MasterWolf1]

you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...

What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....

I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Huckabee and Bill Clinton never ran against each other.

And Rudy never ran against Hillary.

Rational I doubt he knows what he is talking about,, Clinton was already in the White House when Huckabee became he gov he didnt run against Clinton and Rudy didn't run against Hillary either,  Rick Lazio did. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

People, just ignore the troll C4J. I think he is the banned "christian_love" anyway. 

[MarZutra]

I was listening to Savage the other evening and he had a guest speaking about "Conservatism" and the Republican Party in America.  This fellow, Mike Tanner, placed forward the Leftist aspects of both Huckabee and Romney which ends being there is little Conservatism at all within the top levels of the Republican Party...  which is the base logic of voting in someone who is totally un/non-aligned with the Establisment. 

[MasterWolf1]

And also let me remind you this,, When a former Republican Gov like Mike Huckabee does the same or worst of a former Democrat Gov like Bill Clinton it is actually worst with Republicans.  Cause they are trying to hold this image that only high spending comes from the Dems.  But when a Republican does this it is more damaging to the Republican Party.  Yes I am a registered Republican and will be the first to critic what members of my own party does.  Bush has also out spent more so then when Bill Clinton was president.  We never really had a surplus when Clinton left office that was a lie.   But the spending we have now has sky rocketed compared to 2000.

[RationalThought110]

And Prior to Flo. The Rudy ticket was needed to pull votes away from McCain, that helped Romney in S.C.   Now that Rudy is going it is all Romney at this point, Hey you can vote for whomever you like but a vote at this point for someone coming in  4th in Florida is really a gimmic vote.  McCain is already ahead in the largest delegate state in the Union California.

McCain would have been done if Rudy didn't allow him to come back. 

In November, Rudy was in 2nd place in the polls in NH behind Romney.  McCain barely had about 12% of the vote.  Then Rudy basically decided to cede NH to Romney and stopped campaigning there.  Then in December, voters in NH probably got annoyed that Rudy stopped campaigning in the state so a lot of Rudy's support shifted to McCain. 

So in NH, Rudy dropped from about 22-14% while McCain went from about 12-14% to at least 22%.  And once, McCain was solidly in 2nd in the polls in NH, the media gave him attention and then all the people who supported him in NH in 2000 flocked back to him and he won the NH primary.

In NH, Michigan and Florida, most of McCain's surge in the level of his support came from Rudy's loss of support. 


Rudy was also competitive in Michigan through November.  If he didn't get obsessed with Florida and instead split his time between NH, Michigan and Florida, he would have finished at least 2nd in NH;  McCain would have been 3rd at best and maybe 3rd at beast in Michigan.  McCain would then have basically been done and Huckabee would have in SC.  Then, it would have been between Huckabee, Giuliani and Romney. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This Monday-morning quarterbacking does us little good now. We just... have to accept this and move on as best we can (and yes, that means voting for Romney, no questions asked).

I am really not sure that it is Rudy's fault that McCain had his meteoric rise--I think the media is nearly 100% responsible for it.

[RationalThought110]

You are right about Ron Paul's comments on 911.  But was/is he more informed than we are?  Afterall, he's been a Senitor for how long?  Paul is mislead on Islam, but his ideas on American Foreign Policy may well be spot on.  In all honesty, I hope Paul wins as I'd much rather a real change than the continual decline into Socialism and corruption...

Foreign Policy actually helped Bin-Laden and his family.  What happened in Afghanistan in the 1970 and early 80's led to the Taliban eventually taking power there.  About the Gulf War during Bush Sr's term when the US had some troops in Saudia Arabia, it most likely helped Bin Laden's family because it ensured that Saudia Arabia kept control of its oil supply and his family is supposed to be involved in the oil industry. 


If Ron Paul wants more credibility with foreign policy, then he shouldn't distort things.

[RationalThought110]

This Monday-morning quarterbacking does us little good now. We just... have to accept this and move on as best we can (and yes, that means voting for Romney, no questions asked).

I am really not sure that it is Rudy's fault that McCain had his meteoric rise--I think the media is nearly 100% responsible for it.

Rudy got some negative publicity by the media when there were some news stories in November possibly facing a trial in January--I'm not sure what's happening with that-- and then there were allegations that Rudy got security for his "mistress" who is now his wife.


Of course, those allegations hurt Rudy in Iowa but he knew he had no chance there.  NH doesn't care too much about that stuff.  For example, they were turned off how Huckabee campaigned in Iowa based mostly on his religion. 


I think it was Rudy's own fault that he dropped in NH because he stopped campaigning there.  He apparently thought it would be better to drop in NH rather than get at least 2nd there and get media coverage. 

[RationalThought110]

And also let me remind you this,, When a former Republican Gov like Mike Huckabee does the same or worst of a former Democrat Gov like Bill Clinton it is actually worst with Republicans.  Cause they are trying to hold this image that only high spending comes from the Dems.  But when a Republican does this it is more damaging to the Republican Party.  Yes I am a registered Republican and will be the first to critic what members of my own party does.  Bush has also out spent more so then when Bill Clinton was president.  We never really had a surplus when Clinton left office that was a lie.   But the spending we have now has sky rocketed compared to 2000.

Some of Arkansas's spending while Huckabee was governor, was on infrastructure.  That's important. 

[MarZutra]

only one thing i can admire Ron Paul for is that he sticks to his guns no matter how unpopular.  He seems like the honest type.

However, his way in his foreign policy is the wrong way.

Isn't Ron Paul an Isolationist?  Does he not want to end "Foriegn Aid"? 

[MarZutra]

Now I'm no Ron Paul fan but I'm no fan of any of the candidates.  I guess I'm choosing the best of the worst and the information that indicates Ron Paul being anti-Establisment and non-aligned is the deciding factor for Ol-MarZutra...