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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2008, 01:50:33 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Yes Kel, you definitely look like you're of Azerbaijani descent lol

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2008, 03:36:01 PM »
About Jews and blond hair:

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We are an ancient group of clans descended from 13 polygamous men, and our genetic history is part of the redefinition of humanity... 'Blonde genes occur in Middle Eastern groups as well,' he [Ostrer] explains. 'There is no evidence that white skin and blue eyes originated in northern Europe. That is a Nordic myth. Semitic people had the whole range.'...

Go to this page that has links to articles discussing the results of Jewish genetics studies.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html

I'm just tired of hearing that Jews have blond hair because of rapes. This is simply not true. There is also such a theory as "genetic drift" that says that certain changes may occur in isolated groups so that with time they begin to differ from each other. It doesn't mean that they were raped or intermarried. the changes occurred by themselves.

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Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2008, 03:50:29 PM »
Of course it was because of rapes and mixing, I don't say there were no Jews with blond hair and blue eyes befor the Greeks and the Romans came, but it was much much less than it was after that.
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2008, 04:03:17 PM »
Of course it was because of rapes and mixing, I don't say there were no Jews with blond hair and blue eyes befor the Greeks and the Romans came, but it was much much less than it was after that.

Dexter, do you have a problem with reading comprehension or are you a specialist in populatiional genetics? Do you know more than the geneticist I quoted? Go read the articles that are linked and you will see that the admixture of Slavic and Germanic genes in the Ashkenazi DNA was small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

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Before the holocaust 30% of German Jews were blonde as were 25% of British Jews.

Considering that blondness is a recessive trait, to have it prevalent in 30% of the population means that a huge percentage had German admixture (if one attributes blondness solely to German genes). Clearly, this is insane. This does not make sense. Obviously, there were Jewish genes for blondness among Ashkenazi Jews that originated both in the Middle East, as Ostrer says, as well as through the well-known phenomenon of genetic drift, i.e. later self-origination.


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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2008, 04:56:41 PM »
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Dexter, do you have a problem with reading comprehension or are you a specialist in populatiional genetics? Do you know more than the geneticist I quoted? Go read the articles that are linked and you will see that the admixture of Slavic and Germanic genes in the Ashkenazi DNA was small.

I think you are the one that have a problem with reading comprehension, read again what I said. After the Europeans took control over Judea some of tham converted, infact, 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish.
 
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

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Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2008, 05:09:02 PM »
So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.
Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

They'll become a ethnic group on their own rather Euro-Arabians or Euro-Africans if such a thing occurs, with dominant and recessive traits on the one hand and atavism on the other.

However, most Europeans don't intermix with muSSlims that's rare from the Europeans I've talked to. However, you can find mixed marriages with children in France, ethnic French marrying Senegalese and vice versa.

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Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2008, 05:48:20 PM »
So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.
Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

They'll become a ethnic group on their own rather Euro-Arabians or Euro-Africans if such a thing occurs, with dominant and recessive traits on the one hand and atavism on the other.

However, most Europeans don't intermix with muSSlims that's rare from the Europeans I've talked to. However, you can find mixed marriages with children in France, ethnic French marrying Senegalese and vice versa.
muslims don't like to mix as neither, because, our people "are infidels".
But in Britain, and France, their power is growing, and more natives convert to the immigrants' believes.

Sweden is the most dramatic example of how you can ruin your nation in hundred years,
when we'll be old, you'll see, Sweden will be a minority white, and thus blond haired people will be erased due to the subsequent mixage...
It is only by a kind of civil war, I fear, we can reverse this proces.
And save some of the genotypes, that are unique to Scandinavian and German, Russian Dutch, and English people.

The worst thing, is that, once we'll be a minority, we will have a major problem controlling our countries.
I really don't know what to do.

Don't forget, that a lot of so called anti-racists (who also hate the "zionist entity") ,
think that the main purpose of anti-nazism and anti-racism , is to mix the blond-haired and other white people with non-whites, to prevent the so-called hitlerian übermensch from being ever to be in great numbers again... in order to prevent a new Holocaust.... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

What is anti-racist about this I really can't understand.
It is self-hating racism. The same kind of hate, that too much Jews still have, conditioned by the Diaspora, and it's horrors.
Too much white people, feel guilty about colonialism, and imperialism,...


That's why Chaim Ben Pesach is a key figure for the Western World, to show them ,
that self - hating P.C. racism, is NOT the answer to the abominations of the national-socialist (and communist) regimes,
to their genocide on Jews and Gypsies, Serbs Poles and Russians [...]

But that self-hating PC-racism , is the new fascism, that plans to collaborate with islam to overthrow the western countries,
and help to kill all the Jews, in name of allah and his prophets, mohammed, and his successor  hitler.

I don't believe in racial über or so-called untermenschen,
but I do believe, that the policies of today, to combat racism, and neo-nazism,
are being used against the Jews, and against the righteous Gentiles.

So therefore, Chaim: show these PC-monsters:
that proud Jews, are not victims,
and never will be victims again.

So that we can prevent a second Holocaust/monsterpogrom-Jihad on the people of the western world, by the hordes of tird worlders.
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Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2008, 08:17:36 PM »
10,000 years ago, yeaa okayy  ::)
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
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 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2008, 08:22:45 PM »
So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

Yes of course

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2008, 08:50:07 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)
« Last Edit: January 31, 2008, 08:59:22 PM by KellyMaureen »

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2008, 09:26:11 PM »
Darn!
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2008, 10:02:19 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2008, 10:05:11 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

Oh I love brown eyes lol which is a good thing since Im evidently related to all blue eyed people :D

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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2008, 10:09:41 PM »
Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

Oh I love brown eyes lol which is a good thing since Im evidently related to all blue eyed people :D

Hello Sis  :::D :::D :::D

I love Green, Blue, Gray and Hazel eyes  ^-^


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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2008, 10:21:31 PM »
This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.



"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

Eye colour is directly linked to genetic markers in the DNA code, yes eye colour is link to a common donor.

And I will get shot for this but Yes it all links back to the 7 daughters of eve(which is the three main racial groups, and 4 sub groups.)

It also links in hair colour, shape of the eyes etc, all racial genetic markers.



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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2008, 10:23:38 PM »
This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.



"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

I believe that green (and other light colors)  is a mutation of blue, though Im trying to remember back to science class and that was LOTS of years ago:P

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2008, 10:27:00 PM »
This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.



"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

Eye colour is directly linked to genetic markers in the DNA code, yes eye colour is link to a common donor.

And I will get shot for this but Yes it all links back to the 7 daughters of eve(which is the three main racial groups, and 4 sub groups.)

It also links in hair colour, shape of the eyes etc, all racial genetic markers.




I have not heard this before, about the 7 daughters of Eve (I'm not very educated when it comes to genetics & race, lol) I'll look into this. Its cool to be able to learn new things everyday.
According to Wikipedia, Violet eyes are basically just blue eyes that appear violet because of the red veins. So I guess violet eyed people like Elizabeth Taylor are also related to the blue eyed common ancestor.
She's lucky, to have her blue eyes appear this way.


I did a reference on this somewhere I will find it its very interesting, I will try and find it.

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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2008, 08:33:19 PM »
My blue eyed ancestor was Japheth, the father of indo europeans.  Just move the 10000 years ago up to about 5000 years ago and we're in business. 
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zechariah 12:9-10

"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.  "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.  "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.  "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2008, 09:33:00 PM »
Does Race Exist?

If races are defined as genetically discrete groups, no. But researchers can use some genetic
information to group individuals into clusters with medical relevance

By Michael J. Bamshad and Steve E. Olson

Look around on the streets of any major city, and you will see a sampling of the outward variety of humanity: skin tones
ranging from milk-white to dark brown; hair textures running the gamut from fine and stick-straight to thick and wiry.
People often use physical characteristics such as these--along with area of geographic origin and shared culture--to group
themselves and others into "races." But how valid is the concept of race from a biological standpoint? Do physical features
reliably say anything informative about a person's genetic makeup beyond indicating that the individual has genes for blueeyes or curly hair?
The problem is hard in part because the implicit definition of what
makes a person a member of a particular race differs from region to
region across the globe. Someone classified as "black" in the U.S., for
instance, might be considered "white" in Brazil and "colored" (a
category distinguished from both "black" and "white") in South Africa.

Click to read more.

http://schools.tdsb.on.ca/rhking/departments/science/bio/evol_pop_dyn/does_race_exist.pdf

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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2008, 10:51:57 AM »
Yacov, you will find all your answers here brother: http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/semites/semites.html
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.