Ancient Israel martial arts? Yehoshua Sofer

[White Israelite]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehoshua_Sofer

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gfbVWc0lucM&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TGIreAyNnro

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DM6WdHw5rqA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=npIkHTLt83Y

This is rather interesting, anyone know more about this?

[mord]

I think he has a site on the internet look up Abir.Yes here it is             http://www.abirwarriorarts.com/

[q_q_]

he is heavily qualified in other (non jewish) arts.

If he does have a tradition, it is very broken, and it seems be is really using the non jewish arts, removing any idolatry, and giving them a jewish dash of paint. reshaping those arts somehow, using hebrew letters and concepts
 
i saw a thread in a forum where somebody posted a clip of this guy doing something with a sword, as if it is uniqique to the Abir system. And he guy posted a clip of some other guy doing the exact same thing - not Abir.

It is just like an oriental martial art

If the oriental martial arts were so great, then i think we would see them in UFC more. UFC has highlighted that to fight well you need standup skills - like boxing. And ground fighting skills, like jiu jitsu.

[White Israelite]

he is heavily qualified in other (non jewish) arts.

If he does have a tradition, it is very broken, and it seems be is really using the non jewish arts, removing any idolatry, and giving them a jewish dash of paint. reshaping those arts somehow, using hebrew letters and concepts
 
i saw a thread in a forum where somebody posted a clip of this guy doing something with a sword, as if it is uniqique to the Abir system. And he guy posted a clip of some other guy doing the exact same thing - not Abir.

It is just like an oriental martial art

If the oriental martial arts were so great, then i think we would see them in UFC more. UFC has highlighted that to fight well you need standup skills - like boxing. And ground fighting skills, like jiu jitsu.

Well also ancient martial arts are a little ineffective in todays world, they are more a art than a fighting or combat system. I believe Brazilian Ju Jitsu is used primarily in UFC because it has a lot to do with ground moves and grappling.

[q_q_]

jiu jitsu generally.

marc laimon has beaten a gracie . jiu jitsu vs bjj.  He said their BJJ is actually quite poorly done - relative to the way he does things..
The gracies invented BJJ.

The reason why you associate UFC with BJJ, is because of the Gracie relationship to UFC. THe early UFCs were won by Royce Gracie, who beat much bigger and heavier and stronger opponents. at a time when nobody had heard of jiu jitsu. He also invented the UFC idea itself I think.

Also, somebody said that some BJJ clubs are a bit gay. So if going into it, I would stick to jiu jitsu.. though personally i am not sure about them either. If they wore trousers and shirts it is ok! Remember, this is on hte ground. I would not want some guy to wrap his legs around my head or lie on top of me bare chested. - with me bare chested too. That is horrible to me.  I think I mentioned that in another thread.



 

[White Israelite]

jiu jitsu generally.

marc laimon has beaten a gracie . jiu jitsu vs bjj.  He said their BJJ is actually quite poorly done - relative to the way he does things..
The gracies invented BJJ.

The reason why you associate UFC with BJJ, is because of the Gracie relationship to UFC. THe early UFCs were won by Royce Gracie, who beat much bigger and heavier and stronger opponents. at a time when nobody had heard of jiu jitsu. He also invented the UFC idea itself I think.

Also, somebody said that some BJJ clubs are a bit gay. So if going into it, I would stick to jiu jitsu.. though personally i am not sure about them either. If they wore trousers and shirts it is ok! Remember, this is on hte ground. I would not want some guy to wrap his legs around my head or lie on top of me bare chested. - with me bare chested too. That is horrible to me.  I think I mentioned that in another thread.



 

True, but I am wondering how authentic this "Abir" is or if it's been modified to "appeal" to people? Many comment his form is unusual.

[jdl4ever]

There is nothing "ancient Israel" about Yehoshua Sofer's style.  He simply took other existing forms of martial arts from China and Japan and used them to make his own techniques.  I showed my father one of his videos and he recognized some of the guy's moves and their style but I forgot what he said since that was a while ago.

[White Israelite]

There is nothing "ancient Israel" about Yehoshua Sofer's style.  He simply took other existing forms of martial arts from China and Japan and used them to make his own techniques.  I showed my father one of his videos and he recognized some of the guy's moves and their style but I forgot what he said since that was a while ago.

Did Israel have any ancient martial arts?

[jdl4ever]

Nope, they didn't have any.

[White Israelite]

Nope, they didn't have any.

What type of unarmed combat did they engage in then?

[jdl4ever]

Nope, they didn't have any.

What type of unarmed combat did they engage in then?

They were never unarmed.  They engaged in close combat with swords. 

[White Israelite]

Nope, they didn't have any.

What type of unarmed combat did they engage in then?

They were never unarmed.  They engaged in close combat with swords. 

I will have to create a new thread about this then as I know nothing about the Ancient Israelite military system or the swords they used. I figured maybe they had some sort of fighting system in the event they couldn't get to their sword.

[jdl4ever]

I think my father said that all this guy's moves were using circular motion which is characteristic of Kung Fu so the guy has a Kung Fu martial arts style.  It takes a long time to learn Kung Fu as Karate is much easier to learn as per my father.  He says Shotokan Karate style is the easiest to learn. 

[White Israelite]

I think my father said that all this guy's moves were using circular motion which is characteristic of Kung Fu so the guy has a Kung Fu martial arts style.  It takes a long time to learn Kung Fu as Karate is much easier to learn as per my father.  He says Shotokan Karate style is the easiest to learn. 

Oh ok, so this is more of a scam then? Do you think it would be pointless to learn Abir?

[jdl4ever]

I think that if you want to learn this fighting style for the "style" then it is indeed a scam as his "style" is simply Kung Fu (or some similar pre-existing style from Asia) and thousands of Karate Schools teach Kung Fu and the various pre-existing styles.  If you want to learn his "method" which combines spirituality with fighting then he is unique and it would be worthwhile if this is your intention since regular schools either teach simply the style alone or combining chinease/japanese/or buddhist culture with the style and none combine Judaism with the style. 

[KansasJew]

Most martial arts come from the Base system of Chin-Fa which is a ancient art of boxing out of China. Which they got from studying anicent martial arts practiced by Indian Monks.