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jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Eliezer Ben Avraham on February 13, 2008, 11:16:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on February 05, 2008, 11:00:02 AM ---Sefer HaYashar is a midrash written in the middle ages. People are confused and think that it is the Sefer HaYashar mentioned in the Book of Samuel.
It is not.
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so most of these books are midrash and were not given at Sinai?
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Nope. The oldest Medrishim were attributed to the Tanaim, depending on the name of the Medrish. Tanah D'vei Eliyahum is and Pirkei D'Rebbe Eliazer are the olderst Midrashim. PDE was written in the 8th century and attributed to R' Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, the early Tanna of the first generation. TDE was also said by a different Tana around the same time period and written down later on. The intermediate ones are attributed to the Amoraim. For example the Medrish Tanhuma which was said by R' Tanhuma bar Abba Israeli Amora of the 5th century. Part of the Medrish Rabba was composed by an Amorah. The newest ones were written much later. Exodus Rabba, Numbers Rabbah and Esther Rabbah are believed to have been composed much after the Amoraim.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on February 13, 2008, 11:32:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eliezer Ben Avraham on February 13, 2008, 11:16:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on February 05, 2008, 11:00:02 AM ---Sefer HaYashar is a midrash written in the middle ages. People are confused and think that it is the Sefer HaYashar mentioned in the Book of Samuel.
It is not.
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so most of these books are midrash and were not given at Sinai?
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Nope. The oldest Medrishim were attributed to the Tanaim, <snip>
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Tenaim (It think) meaning human tape recorders. (you may say that only refers to the way they memorised oral tradition)
do you think they midrashic books up?
I always learnt that midrashim are from sinai.
The reason why some midrashim contradict others, is because they were not as well preserved as the oral law. They emphasis was always on preserving the oral law. The rest of the oral tradition was still there though.
Infact.. I recall reading in the kuzari, he talks about a huge oral tradition including scientific knowledge... most of which was lost.
q_q_:
And a classic thing in the kuzari, he talks about the length of the lunar month in jewish tradition, about being a really really accurately transmitted tradition going back to king david.
29 days 12 hours 793 chalakim (a very accurate approximation)
that`s
29 days 12 hours 44 minutes 3 and a third of a second.
If you look at that in days 29.xxxxxx it is accurate to 4dp.
the western world did not get it that accurate until NASA sent tools up there.. (then got it even more accurate. But we use the tradition even though we know it is an approximation, same with pi).
I am not sure if the babylonians had it that accurate, I don`t think they did. I did have a book by dr jeffrey satinover that listed all the ancient peoples, and they did not have it that accurate..
of course, it is possible that peoples used the calculation we have via jewish tradition. Some Jews had a background in astronomy because of experience with the jewish lunar calendar..
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on February 14, 2008, 10:07:28 AM ---And a classic thing in the kuzari, he talks about the length of the lunar month in jewish tradition, about being a really really accurately transmitted tradition going back to king david.
29 days 12 hours 793 chalakim (a very accurate approximation)
that`s
29 days 12 hours 44 minutes 3 and a third of a second.
If you look at that in days 29.xxxxxx it is accurate to 4dp.
the western world did not get it that accurate until NASA sent tools up there.. (then got it even more accurate. But we use the tradition even though we know it is an approximation, same with pi).
I am not sure if the babylonians had it that accurate, I don`t think they did. I did have a book by dr jeffrey satinover that listed all the ancient peoples, and they did not have it that accurate..
of course, it is possible that peoples used the calculation we have via jewish tradition. Some Jews had a background in astronomy because of experience with the jewish lunar calendar..
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That is impressive. ... But wouldn't we get more than just four decimal places if or more accurate pi if we were given this knowledge in prophesy? Just wondering that.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on February 05, 2008, 11:00:02 AM ---Sefer HaYashar is a midrash written in the middle ages. People are confused and think that it is the Sefer HaYashar mentioned in the Book of Samuel.
It is not.
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About the midrash written in middle ages. How does this work match up (or not) with ancient records and biblical records?
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