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Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« on: February 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM »

Japan accuses Russia of incursion


A photo released Japan's defence ministry purporting to show a Russian Tupolev 95 flying over the Izu Islands, 9 February 2008
Japan said the aircraft had violated its airspace for about three minutes
Japan has accused Russia of violating its airspace over the Pacific Izu islands and demanded an explanation.

A Russian Tupolev 95 bomber flew for about three minutes over the isle of Sofugan, 650km (400 miles) south of Tokyo, Japanese officials said.

Japan responded by scrambling 22 jets and lodging an official protest with the Russian embassy.

But a spokesman for the Russian air force denied any incursion into Japanese airspace had occurred.

Alexander Drobyshevsky told Russia's Itar-Tass news agency that strategic bomber flights had been "carried out in strict accordance with international rules on flying over neutral waters, without violating the border between the two countries".

Rally

Russia last violated Japan's airspace in January 2006 near Rebun Island near the northern island of Hokkaido, Japanese officials said.

On Thursday, Japan held an annual rally to demand the return of four disputed islands - known as the Kurils in Russia and the Northern Territories in Japan - which Russia seized in the closing days of World War II.

The dispute has prevented the two countries from signing a peace treaty to formally end the war.

It was not clear whether Saturday's flyby was related to the rally.

Despite their territorial disputes, Japan and Russia have recently indicated their desire to improve relations, the BBC's Chris Hogg reports from Tokyo.

Russia wants Japanese financial support for development of its far eastern regions while Japan wants greater access to Russia's oil reserves.

Whether the alleged incident was a mistake or something more sinister, such as an attempt to test Japan's defensive tactics, it has rattled the Japanese government, our correspondent says.

Tokyo has demanded a full explanation from Moscow.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2008, 09:17:22 PM »
It's back cold war.

Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 09:20:18 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2008, 09:21:53 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 09:40:45 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.
yea, if they fought each other there would have been millions of deaths
KAHANE TZADAK!

Offline Tina Greco - Melbourne

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 09:41:01 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 09:46:14 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

Offline Tina Greco - Melbourne

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 09:47:48 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....

Russia is Mob run, no honor, just bad blood.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 09:49:41 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....

Russia is Mob run, no honor, just bad blood.
there are too many alcoholics, that's for sure.
But I know Russians, and they are having more honour than West-Europeans.
They are also much more religious then the West-Europeans.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 10:14:34 PM »
It's back cold war.



We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....

Russia is Mob run, no honor, just bad blood.
there are too many alcoholics, that's for sure.
But I know Russians, and they are having more honour than West-Europeans.
They are also much more religious then the West-Europeans.

Well thats very sad indeed then.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 10:27:48 PM »
It's back cold war.


We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....

Russia is Mob run, no honor, just bad blood.
there are too many alcoholics, that's for sure.
But I know Russians, and they are having more honour than West-Europeans.
They are also much more religious then the West-Europeans.

Well thats very sad indeed then.
The matter of fact is that 70 years of Soviet-suppression of Religion, has had less impact than the liberal, social-democracy in the rest of the western world.

just a example: Western tourists in Russia that enter a Church, without wearing modest clothes, without making a crusifix-sign, are being thrown out.

Here that is not so strict.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: Japan accuses Russia of incursion
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 10:30:00 PM »
It's back cold war.


We made alot of advances in the cold war, it was not such a bad thing.
The good thing about the cold war , was that USA and USSR didn't fight eachother directly.

It kept balance.

But living under Soviet dictatorship, was horrible.

True I have no love for the Red Russian only the White.
Russian patriots will agree with you 100%.
But some people, of mostly remote (majority muslim) republics are very nostalgic about the Soviet-Union in the 60ties and 70ties.
Today Bolshevism is officially destroyed, but still is alive and kicking:
e.g.: Al Gore, and "Inconvenient truth". EU. UN. Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama....

Russia is Mob run, no honor, just bad blood.
there are too many alcoholics, that's for sure.
But I know Russians, and they are having more honour than West-Europeans.
They are also much more religious then the West-Europeans.

Well thats very sad indeed then.
The matter of fact is that 70 years of Soviet-suppression of Religion, has had less impact than the liberal, social-democracy in the rest of the western world.

just a example: Western tourists in Russia that enter a Church, without wearing modest clothes, without making a crusifix-sign, are being thrown out.

Here that is not so strict.

It was like that in St Petersburg.