Four sorts of Zionists

[OdKahaneChai]

Or Rabin`s daughter - dalia rabin, who also believes in a conspiracy.
Or Yuval Rabin, who said there will be more chamishim(barry chamish`s surname in plural), and people should read his book.
Or Yigal Amir`s wife Larissa Amir, who believes in a conspiracy as described by Natan Gefen. (chamish`s book is too messy for her. And she probably has not seen his video with its video evidence and commentary / lecture.).

The difference between Natan Gefen`s version and Chamish`s version is minor. Both agree yigal amir did not kill him, israeli intelligence did, and covered it up.

I vaguely recall that Chaim thinks it was a conspiracy too, that yigal amir changed blank bullets for real ones. I don`t know how that theory can be defended in light of the medical records obtained by Natan Gefen and sent around by Barry Chamish.


JTF has a bone to pick with Chamish, because Chamish is adamant that Itamar Ben Gvir is a Shabak provacateur. 
I recall that at one point, Chaim said the idea that IBGV is shabak is ridiculous.. Then he was double crossed by Baruch Marzel (and IGBV?), and when asked again, he said maybe IBGV is shabak, it`s possible.  Then IBGV decided to join the organisation and answer questions, and so he is in the good books again.  I don`t know if IBGV is still doing it, but I hope he is not the moderator, otherwise he may have the IPs of members in israel. (They should browse with Tor(the onion router). To mask their ip with an anonymous one. But there is some setting one should choose with tor, otherwise I read that somebody in one place could download child porn and police could come knocking on your door - that is a techie issue, not a conspiracy! ).

How was Chaim "double-crossed"?

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there was a video about it.

JTF donated some money to baruch marzel.   

One time Chaim made a speech.  A woman said that Itamar Ben Gvir said that Chaim had not given them any money, and that he was using the money for his own purposes.

JTF made a video showing the Proof that Chaim had paid them the money, and Itamar Ben Gvir apologised, retracted the claim, and now he works for JTF on the hebrew forum, and thus helps JTF grow its hebrew movement.

that is what I understand of it anyway. I have not recently seen the videos or AskJTFs where he explained it. Yaakov Ben Menashe would know it back to front, I am sure.

Chaim trusted baruch marzel with good reason. He was close to the Rabbi. But Marzel turned out to be - not a fraud, but a dishonest person.

Chaim apologised to everybody, and said he is not giving Baruch Marzel any more money.
 

[OdKahaneChai]

there was a video about it.

JTF donated some money to baruch marzel.   

One time Chaim made a speech.  A woman said that Itamar Ben Gvir said that Chaim had not given them any money, and that he was using the money for his own purposes.

JTF made a video showing the Proof that Chaim had paid them the money, and Itamar Ben Gvir apologised, retracted the claim, and now he works for JTF on the hebrew forum, and thus helps JTF grow its hebrew movement.

that is what I understand of it anyway. I have not recently seen the videos or AskJTFs where he explained it. Yaakov Ben Menashe would know it back to front, I am sure.

Chaim trusted baruch marzel with good reason. He was close to the Rabbi. But Marzel turned out to be - not a fraud, but a dishonest person.

Chaim apologised to everybody, and said he is not giving Baruch Marzel any more money.

I know, I've heard this.  But you honestly think this was anything more than a misunderstanding?  Marzel and Ben-Gvir are both very good people.

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there was a video about it.

JTF donated some money to baruch marzel.   

One time Chaim made a speech.  A woman said that Itamar Ben Gvir said that Chaim had not given them any money, and that he was using the money for his own purposes.

JTF made a video showing the Proof that Chaim had paid them the money, and Itamar Ben Gvir apologised, retracted the claim, and now he works for JTF on the hebrew forum, and thus helps JTF grow its hebrew movement.

that is what I understand of it anyway. I have not recently seen the videos or AskJTFs where he explained it. Yaakov Ben Menashe would know it back to front, I am sure.

Chaim trusted baruch marzel with good reason. He was close to the Rabbi. But Marzel turned out to be - not a fraud, but a dishonest person.

Chaim apologised to everybody, and said he is not giving Baruch Marzel any more money.

I know, I've heard this.  But you honestly think this was anything more than a misunderstanding?  Marzel and Ben-Gvir are both very good people.

Chaim did not interpret it that way.  I am sure if it was a misunderstanding, they would have told Chaim, along with what caused them to make that mistake.

I seriously doubt they misunderstood it. They probably received a good amount. If you survive on a shoe strong, then you remember where your cheques come from. Even wealthy people remember where their cheques come from.

Chaim stopped giving them money.. (and rightly so).

[OdKahaneChai]

there was a video about it.

JTF donated some money to baruch marzel.   

One time Chaim made a speech.  A woman said that Itamar Ben Gvir said that Chaim had not given them any money, and that he was using the money for his own purposes.

JTF made a video showing the Proof that Chaim had paid them the money, and Itamar Ben Gvir apologised, retracted the claim, and now he works for JTF on the hebrew forum, and thus helps JTF grow its hebrew movement.

that is what I understand of it anyway. I have not recently seen the videos or AskJTFs where he explained it. Yaakov Ben Menashe would know it back to front, I am sure.

Chaim trusted baruch marzel with good reason. He was close to the Rabbi. But Marzel turned out to be - not a fraud, but a dishonest person.

Chaim apologised to everybody, and said he is not giving Baruch Marzel any more money.

I know, I've heard this.  But you honestly think this was anything more than a misunderstanding?  Marzel and Ben-Gvir are both very good people.

Chaim did not interpret it that way.  I am sure if it was a misunderstanding, they would have told Chaim, along with what caused them to make that mistake.

I seriously doubt they misunderstood it. They probably received a good amount. If you survive on a shoe strong, then you remember where your cheques come from. Even wealthy people remember where their cheques come from.

Chaim stopped giving them money.. (and rightly so).

Answer for me this:

What reason would they possibly have for denying that Chaim sent them a donation?

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only if you admit that it is irrelevant to the fact that they did. Chaim said they did, and that IBGV apologised and joined to help.

note- similarly flawed reasoning on your part would cause you to reject a rabin conspiracy despite the proof that YA did not do it and so on.  You reject it because you see no motive. 

Same flawed logic on your part. Though in the IBGV - marzel case, you have Chaim`s word. No need to study medical reports!