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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Whatt? I thought their is no Kiddushin (Marriage process by the nations). Lubab doesn't a non-Jewish couple become "married" once they have relations, or when they live together? By adultry is it when the lady had relations with a man and then went with another man?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 21, 2008, 04:29:31 PM ---Whatt? I thought their is no Kiddushin (Marriage process by the nations). Lubab doesn't a non-Jewish couple become "married" once they have relations, or when they live together? By adultry is it when the lady had relations with a man and then went with another man?
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There is no formal marriage process that's necessary by goyim (Noahides), but there is marriage or else there could be no Noahide law against adultery. Marriage can be effected by the two Noahides having relations with the intent for those relations to effect the marriage.
If there is no such intent, there is no marriage through that act.
I'm not clear on what your second question is. Are we talking about Jews now? Please clarify that second question and I'll try to help.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on February 21, 2008, 04:18:03 PM ---
--- Quote ---Noahides (non-Jews) are allowed to have marital relations without marriage.
It may even be preferable to just move in with a girlfriend and specifically state that you are NOT married to avoid the very strict consequences of adultery (the death penalty).
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But if someone has intimacy with his girlfriend, in case she happened to secretly involve in casual intimacy with another man, wouldn't they also commit the crime of adultery?
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See my response to Tzvi above. I think that answers this question too.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
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My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
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My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
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Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
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