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Lubab:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 10:45:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
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My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
--- End quote ---
Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
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Ah! That's a tznius question. You need to know the tznius laws. Can't show the form of the leg above the knee. No good!
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:12:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 10:45:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
--- End quote ---
Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
--- End quote ---
Ah! That's a tznius question. You need to know the tznius laws. Can't show the form of the leg above the knee. No good!
--- End quote ---
I know the Tznius laws (basically). But I read something (I believe the Sefer is called Hilchos Bas Yisroel) that said a woman is allowed to wear pants for exercising, so long as there are no men around - so I wondered if the same applied here. Or do we (Chabad) pasken differently as far as exercising, as well?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 11:35:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:12:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 10:45:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
--- End quote ---
Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
--- End quote ---
Ah! That's a tznius question. You need to know the tznius laws. Can't show the form of the leg above the knee. No good!
--- End quote ---
I know the Tznius laws (basically). But I read something (I believe the Sefer is called Hilchos Bas Yisroel) that said a woman is allowed to wear pants for exercising, so long as there are no men around - so I wondered if the same applied here. Or do we (Chabad) pasken differently as far as exercising, as well?
--- End quote ---
Yeah we do hold of that but
I thought we were talking about a woman on a motorcycle. She's on a motorcycle in a private area with no men?
If iit's in public then we have the tznius problem.
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:39:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 11:35:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:12:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 10:45:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
--- End quote ---
Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
--- End quote ---
Ah! That's a tznius question. You need to know the tznius laws. Can't show the form of the leg above the knee. No good!
--- End quote ---
I know the Tznius laws (basically). But I read something (I believe the Sefer is called Hilchos Bas Yisroel) that said a woman is allowed to wear pants for exercising, so long as there are no men around - so I wondered if the same applied here. Or do we (Chabad) pasken differently as far as exercising, as well?
--- End quote ---
Yeah we do hold of that but
I thought we were talking about a woman on a motorcycle. She's on a motorcycle in a private area with no men?
If iit's in public then we have the tznius problem.
--- End quote ---
But how can anyone, other than a passenger, really see her anyway?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 11:46:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:39:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 11:35:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 11:12:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 21, 2008, 10:45:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 21, 2008, 05:19:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 20, 2008, 11:07:45 PM ---Lubab I was wondering what your response would be to my question to Chaim :)
--- Quote ---Dear Chaim
OdKahaneChai and I have had a little chat about women ridding motorbikes, I am a biker.
Now is it allowed for a woman to take a male passenger, or the woman to be a passenger on the mans bike?
By the way, main passenger on my bike is my dog.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
My first question would be: "who are we talking about here?". Are we talking about Jews? Jews have very strict laws on who they can touch and when. You'd need to look into that. Or are we talking about Noahides? Noahide rules are not that strict at all on these things.
However I could still imagine situations where it would not be appropriate even for a Noahide to do such a thing (e.g. taking another's spouse on your bike...could lead to problems).
Be sure to wear a helmet! We must be careful with the life G-d gave us.
P.S. I have nothing against bikers per se. One of the Chabad Rabbis in San Francisco is famous for riding a motorcycle around town with his big hasidic beard and he has brought many Jews to an observant life of Judaism by attracting their attention in that way :).
So in such a case I would say "rock on!"
--- End quote ---
Well, to my knowledge, Skippy is Jewish, so we're talking about Jews here.
So the original question was, with no passenger, or at least no Male one - is she allowed to wear these "leathers," which definitely show form, while riding the motorcycle, since they are specifically designed for said purpose?
--- End quote ---
Ah! That's a tznius question. You need to know the tznius laws. Can't show the form of the leg above the knee. No good!
--- End quote ---
I know the Tznius laws (basically). But I read something (I believe the Sefer is called Hilchos Bas Yisroel) that said a woman is allowed to wear pants for exercising, so long as there are no men around - so I wondered if the same applied here. Or do we (Chabad) pasken differently as far as exercising, as well?
--- End quote ---
Yeah we do hold of that but
I thought we were talking about a woman on a motorcycle. She's on a motorcycle in a private area with no men?
If iit's in public then we have the tznius problem.
--- End quote ---
But how can anyone, other than a passenger, really see her anyway?
--- End quote ---
What do you mean? Every person on the street will see one leg on one side of the bike and one on the other and can fully see the shape of the leg above the knee if she is wearing tight pants.
I don't think this is brain surgery.
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