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Lubab:
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why didn't the latest Lubavitch Rabbi have kids? Why didn't he just get another wife for himself?
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I'm really not sure. He knew a heck of a lot more Torah than I do so I know he had a good justification. He was a very meticulous observer of halacha in all respects. Maybe he knew he was not meant to have children. He always said that his chassidim are his children, but that doesn't really answer the question.
Lubab:
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What if the women wants more ( ;D , its one of those wonders of life expecially after the first one), but the man doesn't, and why isn't financing an issue? Everything costs a lot of $ these days, he doesn't want to live on charity, and wants to send his children to the best Yeshiva's. (thats after the fact that he has at least 2 children (One male and one female) which can reproduce (G-d willing), which fullfils the Mitzva.
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Talk about how many kids you want to have before you get married so you don't have this problem.
The sin of wasting seed is very serious. It's akin to murder at a more refined level of looking at things.
So we don't cast aside this prohibition lightly for things like money and convenience. Life takes precedence over these things.
There is also a more general point to be made here:
As Jews we believe G-d runs the world and if He feels you are ready for the gift of the child and His torah says you should have the child, He also knows that you can handle the child and it's an affront to Him to say you are not interested in His gifts or that you can handle it financially or otherwise in your opinion. In G-d's opinion you can handle it so "step it up a notch and make it work" is what we'll tell him in most cases.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Yea, but then their should be maybe over 20 kids per family. If a married couple has 3 or 4 kids, what should prevent them from having 10 or 20? What limit should their be then?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 25, 2008, 09:50:09 PM ---Yea, but then their should be maybe over 20 kids per family. If a married couple has 3 or 4 kids, what should prevent them from having 10 or 20? What limit should their be then?
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I'm very much in favor of big families. I think they are wonderful. If parents learn how to raise them properly the older ones help with the younger ones and everyone is better and more mature for it. When done right the kids come out great. I've seen this in the field.
Even with no birth control whatsoever the most I've seen among people I know is 16 kids.
But the bottom line here is: people always are capable of so much more then they give themselves credit for. People (myself included) impose so many limitations on their abilities that don't really exist. This is true when it comes to children and it's true in just about every other aspect of life.
I think people should have as many kids as they can and accept as many gifts as G-d is willing to give them.
I heard a story once that a frum woman who just had her 7th baby or something like that and the neighbor asked her in a demeaning way : "so how many more are you going to have already"
She looked at him and said "six-million".
Lubab:
--- Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on February 28, 2008, 01:55:50 AM ---
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It doesn't exist today because we don't have a Sanhedrin. But G-d finds a way to deliver the punishment through other means when necessary. But never forget that teshuva (return to G-d or true repentence) can wash away all these sins and a person can avoid the punishment that way.
I imagine makas mardus will be reinstated when the Moshiach comes and the Sanhedrin is reinstituted but something tells me we won't have that great a need for these punishments. I think people will want to do the right thing on their own at that time.
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Thanks for your answer. You are so right.
BTW, about the current discussion about how many children people should have, I hope I also have 6 million children!
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I hope you do too Mills. Sounds good to me.
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