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Ari:
Great insights, Lubab. P.S. Mills, I'm happy you're on our team. O0
Raulmarrio2000:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16651.15
Could you please check this discussion with Skippy and give your opinion. Are we really evil as she thinks? She holds that we are promoting sin, since we wouldn't exclude or rebuke citizens of our State in case they had relations without marrying, or comitted private sins. I hold that even real countries don't have such Laws now.
To your knowledge, Let-be-land is a virtual country created to protest against Argentinian policy towards Israel. There are people of different religions and ideas.
Please give your opinion as you wish, privately or publically. No Vow to follow your opinion. (Anyway it's not up to me. We are several persons)
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on February 20, 2008, 12:57:24 AM ---http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16651.15
Could you please check this discussion with Skippy and give your opinion. Are we really evil as she thinks? She holds that we are promoting sin, since we wouldn't exclude or rebuke citizens of our State in case they had relations without marrying, or comitted private sins. I hold that even real countries don't have such Laws now.
To your knowledge, Let-be-land is a virtual country created to protest against Argentinian policy towards Israel. There are people of different religions and ideas.
Please give your opinion as you wish, privately or publically. No Vow to follow your opinion. (Anyway it's not up to me. We are several persons)
--- End quote ---
Thanks for your question Raul,
I have said this before, and it may be controversial, but I don't care.
Noahides (non-Jews) are allowed to have marital relations without marriage.
It may even be preferable to just move in with a girlfriend and specifically state that you are NOT married to avoid the very strict consequences of adultery (the death penalty).
We learn this from the story of Yehuda in the Bible who had the law of a Noahide and had relations without marriage. Moshiach actually was born (many generations later) from that union.
So Raul I think you are right here on not punishing that behavior.
As a side note, I don't think that the government should be regulating marriage at all. They can give civil benefits to couples in a civil manner, but should not get involved in who is married, and requiring marriage licenses etc. Ideally this should be handled by the ecclesiastical authorities as was done all over the world until our very recent history.
Raulmarrio2000:
In fact there are many real sins for which we have no provision, since we don't aim to be a realigious, but just political/cultural org. shaped as a State. And there is an article in our Constitution, saying that private actions are free. But I think, that since we are not really independent. And Argentinian judges act here, it's up to them. I claim that in the same way a club is not a guardian of morality, neither are we. However we do punish some evil deeds (with expelling). Perhaps she thinks that punishing some, and not others, means encouraging what we don't punish. For eaxample there's no provision for the eventuality of adultery or idolatry, but there is a strong punishment for the eventuality of abortion (even advocating for it), blasphemy or anti-Semitism. Is that wrong?
Lubab:
I would recommend that you revolve your legal system around the Noahide code (7 Noahide laws).
This is the best system for gentiles.
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