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Blames Obama for supporting this, calls Obama a sudden "evangelist" hiding his "real" pro-Fakestinian views ever since becoming a presidential candidate.  So Nader essentially shows his own true colors as a pro PLO propagandist but also succeeds in exposing Obama.  Because Obama responds and says how "anti-likud" he really is in order to save face with the leftists but still pander to silly liberal Jews.  Even the leftist self-hating Democrat Jews won't like this though.  He probably will lose Jewish support over this.  Both Obama and Nader are losers in this exchange in my opinion.

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"I think there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro-Likud ap-proach to Israel, then you're anti-Israel, and that can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel," leading Democratic presidential contender Illinois Senator Barack Obama said Sunday.

If we cannot have an honest dialogue about how do we achieve these goals, then we're not going to make progress," he said.

He also criticized the notion that anyone who asks tough questions about advancing the peace process or tries to secure Israel by anyway other than "just crushing the opposition" is being "soft or anti-Israel."

Obama made the comments in a closed-door meeting with several members of Cleveland's Jewish community, who will be participating in the crucial Ohio primary to be held next Tuesday.

The candidate stressed his commitment to a secure, Jewish Israel and to pursuing robust diplomacy - while keeping all options on the table - to ensure that Iran doesn't acquire nuclear weapons, according to a transcript of the off-the-record event.

Obama defended - and distanced - himself from criticism that has been leveled at him about some of his campaign advisers and endorsers, but he suggested that too black-and-white a perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict helped no one.

He described the debate in Israel as "much more open" than it often is in the United States.

"Understandably, because of the pressure that Israel is under, I think the US pro-Israel community is sometimes a little more protective or concerned about opening up that conversation," he continued. "All I'm saying, though, is that actually ultimately should be our goal - to have that same clear-eyed view about how we approach these issues."

He also again noted his disagreement with some of the critical statements on Israel made by the pastor of his church, which he ascribed to the latter's support for the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa at a time that Israel continued to trade with the regime there.

"He is like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with," he said. "And I suspect there are some people in this room who have heard relatives say some things that they don't agree with, including, on occasion, directed at African Americans."

He concluded, "I understand the concerns and the sensitivities, and one of my goals constantly in my public career has been to try to bridge what was a historically powerful bond between the African American and Jewish communities that has been frayed in recent years."

Also on Sunday, Ralph Nader, while declaring his third-party candidacy for the US presidency, attacked Obama for allegedly concealing his "pro-Palestinian" feelings.

"He's run a brilliant tactical campaign, but his better instincts and his knowledge have been censored by himself," Nader charged on NBC's Meet the Press. "He was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois before he ran for the state senate... Now he's supporting the Israeli destruction of the tiny section called Gaza with a million and a half people."

Nader called the Palestinian-Israeli conflict a "real off-the-table issue for the candidates," including Obama, whom he described as "the first liberal evangelist in a long time" to run for president.

"The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He's got no credibility," an Obama campaign adviser said about Nader.

Obama's campaign on Monday responded to Nader's attacks on the senator's position on Gaza.

"Barack Obama's longstanding support for Israel's security is rooted in his belief that no civilians should have to live with the threat of terrorism," the campaign statement said. "In Gaza, Hamas continues to fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians every day, and that's why it is long past time that Hamas renounces terrorism, recognizes Israel's right to exist and abides by past agreements."

Democratic National Committee consultant Matt Dorf, who also does Jewish outreach, also dismissed the Nader accusations as off the mark and meaningless.

"If he thinks there are voters out there to be had by demonizing Barack Obama's record, including on Middle East issues, he's going to find them," Dorf said. "Nader's going to get even less support than he got last time."

The controversial Green Party candidate has run unsuccessfully for president in the past, making his strongest showing in 2000 when he took tens of thousands of votes in Florida, which George W. Bush narrowly won to take the presidency. Though Nader isn't expected to pose a serious challenge in the general election, he could again siphon off voters from the left side of the spectrum, hurting the Democratic nominee.

The progressive candidate's opening shot at Obama over Israel intensified a debate raging in some hawkish, right-wing circles over whether the Illinois senator has solid pro-Israel credentials. Nader's comments were quickly seized upon by the Republican Jewish Coalition.

"When a long-time political activist like Ralph Nader, with a well-documented, anti-Israel bias, claims that Senator Obama shares this anti-Israel bias, that is alarming," said RJC Executive Director Matt Brooks.

"If Senator Obama has only reversed his positions to run for president, it once again raises serious questions about his grasp of the geopolitical realities of the Middle East and puts into doubt his commitment to the safety and security of Israel. These are important questions we in the Jewish community will be asking."

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 12:51:49 AM »
Obama uses the same phrases over and over.  He always says, "there are people who say, unless you're blah blah blah, then you're wrong.  Well, I think we should take a comprehensive fair look at these issues. "


Substitute blah blah blah for pro Israel, attacking white people, attacking corporations, owning a machine gun.  It's the same phrase for ANY issue.  He's more full of it than any politician I've seen in a long time.  Probably since Bill Clinton.

 

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 12:54:10 AM »
He always says, "there are people who say, unless you're blah blah blah, then you're wrong.  Well, I think we should take a comprehensive fair look at these issues. "
 

haha, that's a good point, he does say that an awful lot on just about every issue.

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 01:14:15 AM »


  Ralph Nader might be the most despicable candidate on the ballot this November,   which is really saying something considering what the Democrats will have to offer.     Yet,  it's possible that Nader could prove to be the difference from the potential disaster of B. H. Obama or Hillary Clinton from becoming President.     I detest Nader but I'm thrilled he entered the race.   
"Israel's leaders seem to be more afraid of Obama than they are of G-d. Now we're getting to the real root of the problem. Secular politics won't save Israel. Denying the divine nature of the Jewish State has brought Israel neither stability nor peace. When that changes Israel will finally be blessed with both in abundance"-----------NormanF   ( Posted on Israel Matzav's Blog )

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 01:41:31 AM »
Nader is a Lebanese Arab Nazi who will always support his Arab brothers.

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 03:35:33 AM »
Nader is mentally ill.  He can't stop saying the word, corporations.  Maybe he has Asperger's syndrome.

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 04:00:19 AM »
Nader is a Lebanese Arab Nazi who will always support his Arab brothers.


Remember that both Joe Farah and Brigette Gabriel are of Lebanese descent.  Regard Nader based on his views on issues.

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 04:07:16 AM »
Obama shows how much he knows of "foreign policy" with his obsession of "Likud" considering the fact that the Likud party is not in the majority of the parliament. 

The conspiracy theorists who tried to blame the Iraq War on Israel, tried to blame it on the Likud Party.   Obama has been quoted in the past of being part of believing in that conspiracy since he singled out Paul Wolfowitz, but neglected Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney. 

So that's why Obama still talks about the Likud Party.

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008, 04:14:40 AM »
Nader is a "straight-talker" who will call out people who he feels have suddenly changed their position for political reasons. 


Despite the lies put out by the NJDC, Obama is no supporter of Israel and is only pretending to be for political reasons.  Among Jews who've supported Hillary in the primaries, he's been trying to increase his support among them and decrease her support. 


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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2008, 04:20:54 AM »
If Nader is the piece of concrete that derails the O'bummer campaign, good luck to him.

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Re: Nader accuses Israel of "destruction" of Gaza and 1.5 million people
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008, 04:34:28 AM »
Obama shows how much he knows of "foreign policy" with his obsession of "Likud" considering the fact that the Likud party is not in the majority of the parliament. 

The conspiracy theorists who tried to blame the Iraq War on Israel, tried to blame it on the Likud Party.   Obama has been quoted in the past of being part of believing in that conspiracy since he singled out Paul Wolfowitz, but neglected Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney. 

So that's why Obama still talks about the Likud Party.

Very good points.  I also cringe when I hear him single out "special interests" and "lobbyists" as evil scapegoats every time in all of his speeches.  We all know what most people associate that with, and what he is really referring to.  This is out of the Protocols.. Elders of Zion handbook.  It's becoming a hysteria in the democratic party, and hilary also uses the same rhetoric and the crowds go wild at these remarks.