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Shalom, from an ex muslim
Sarah:
The Soviet Union supplied the Arabs for quite a while.
Sarah:
--- Quote from: MarZutra on March 04, 2008, 06:53:35 PM ---Sarah, are you for real? Why do you totally dismiss out of hand the realities on the ground? Think for one minute and ask yourself how Islam became the dominant "religion" from Spain to Asia and that "Jihad" had been practiced (and still is) 4 centuries prior to the crusades?
Come on....really.
PS: Israel should NEVER have given one inch of land after the 6 Day War....further it should have expelled its Koranimal populous "thorn" from within its midst.
PPS: Would Israel want to "expand"? Only to its mandated borders of the Balfaur Declaration or that of 1923: the first "two state solution". Personally, I'd prefer the post '67 borders. Perhaps if Israel did expand its boarders there might be a relative peace as Israel is a much more peaceful entity than all 60+ Islamosavage dictatorial regimes are put together... ;)
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The Israeli government knew that the rest of the world wouldn't let them keep the land they gained during the 6 day war, they gained bits of land from 3 different countries.
kahaneloyalist:
--- Quote from: Sarah on March 05, 2008, 01:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: newman on March 05, 2008, 07:19:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sarah on March 04, 2008, 05:37:14 PM ---Yep they were powerful in otherwise, more organized and experienced fighters...
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That's not true at all.
In 1947/48 the Jews had ZERO experience at fighting. Most of the Jews were half-starved survivors from hitler's (YS) camps. They were a bunch of tradesmen, teachers and accountants turned farmers turned soldiers.
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NO WAY! The Irgun and Stern has some of the most experienced fighters ever. I think i read somewhere that all the young men had to go through training courses as well.
The arabs were by far less experienced or organised when it came to fighting.
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While the irregular Arab forces, numbering approximetly 40 thousand were not particularly well coordinated among the different Arab "Liberation" armies, they were trained by some of the best soldiers in the world, members of the Weirmacht who escaped Europe. They fled primarily to Egypt and Syria, and were happy to give the Arabs a hand in finishing Hitler's yimach shmo vizikhro job. Read "In the Shadow of the Syphinx, Nassers Strange Allies" for an account of the enormous numbers of Nazis who fled to the Arab world and joined in the fight for Arab Nationalism.
While the Lehi and Etzel were experienced and highly skilled fighters with signifigant experience, there just werent that many of them, no more then 5 thousand in their entire history were ever engaged in combat activities. Furthermore there was an arms embargo against the pre-state fighters, the Arabs on the other hand were openly and actively armed by among others the British, and the Arab forces especially in the early days of the fighting wildly outnumbered the Jews.
Now remember there were SIX Arab armies, all modern and well armed, that attacked the fledgling Jewish state which until well into the war and the assistance of the Czechs had few weapons and little ammunition. While the British primarily assisted the Arabs with air support, and the RAF was the finest air force in the world at the time, there were battles such as the fight for Yaffo when Jews faced British Army forces as well.
--- Quote from: Sarah on March 05, 2008, 05:00:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: MarZutra on March 04, 2008, 06:53:35 PM ---Sarah, are you for real? Why do you totally dismiss out of hand the realities on the ground? Think for one minute and ask yourself how Islam became the dominant "religion" from Spain to Asia and that "Jihad" had been practiced (and still is) 4 centuries prior to the crusades?
Come on....really.
PS: Israel should NEVER have given one inch of land after the 6 Day War....further it should have expelled its Koranimal populous "thorn" from within its midst.
PPS: Would Israel want to "expand"? Only to its mandated borders of the Balfaur Declaration or that of 1923: the first "two state solution". Personally, I'd prefer the post '67 borders. Perhaps if Israel did expand its boarders there might be a relative peace as Israel is a much more peaceful entity than all 60+ Islamosavage dictatorial regimes are put together... ;)
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The Israeli government knew that the rest of the world wouldn't let them keep the land they gained during the 6 day war, they gained bits of land from 3 different countries.
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That was our land being occupied by Arab imperialists
Sarah:
Did the U.S begin to Aid Israel after the War of Independence?
newman:
--- Quote from: Sarah on March 05, 2008, 05:00:34 PM ---
The Israeli government knew that the rest of the world wouldn't let them keep the land they gained during the 6 day war, they gained bits of land from 3 different countries.
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They have the right to that land under international law. Land won in a defensive war by the country that was attacked can be kept. Just like the german land won & taken by France, Checkoslovakia & Poland.
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