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adam613:
Unfortunately, our Rabbi's never reward men for any good that they do. These same Rabbi's said you shouldn't spend too much time talking to a women and we say a blessing thank g-d for not making me a women. That is feminism.  Solomon said in proverbs it is much easier to find a righteous men then it is a righteous women and while you will find an occaisonal righteousan in 2,000 women you will not find a righteous women. The prophets criticized the women a lot for materialism and other issues. You like to selectively pick the "good" passeges on women.   

I have to completely disagree with you overall. Overall I think both men and women could be evil. As someone that has a fairly large family I really overall don't agree in general. There are some evils women commit that men do not. But, of course, we never give credit to men when credit is due to the men.
But, again, Yacov, you avoid the problems feminism is causing.

SOME OF THE MEN WERE WORRIED THEY WOULD BE THROWN OUT ON THE STREET BY THEIR FAMILY IF THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IN GUSH KATIF. JAIL WASN'T THEIR WORRY.  THE RABBI'S WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO SAY IF BOYS WERE THROWN OUT BY THEIR FAMILIES. My sick Uncle George Klein who lives in Queens Kue Gardens said he would throw his own son out on the street if he had the problems I had with my father. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

You want to still punish men for the sin of the golden calf which happened 3,000 years ago and think it is OK to bash men which you do think it is OK because you ignore all the posts where I have mention this and others agree with me. G-d doesn't sanction this. We were only suppose to punish 4 generations. In terms of having a Rosh Chodes Shuir for women that I don't really have a problem with that although we never credit men for the good they have done. We only call them monsters whenever we slip.  You do support feminism Yacov and I don't like the fact that as your fellow jew you don't take what I say seriously.

Just focuses on blacks is not going to work in my opinion and this is not why men in Israel are afraid to fight or don't see any reason to fight because they don't get any praise and, yes, some discrimination should be in place for men that put their life on the line. I also think women who have children and are married in certain part time or even appropriate full time jobs should be given preferences. 

adam613:
I just wanted to add that there are a lot of Jewish Kabalah cults and most of the people involved in these touchy feely cults are women. And they attract a lot of Jewish women.

Thats it for my posting for a few days by the way as I am going away for the weekend. Happy Chanukah to all.

adam613:
Yacov, let me answer your questions because I hate to say it I don't know where you get your idea's from.

This sin of the golden calf the punishment wasn't banishment from Israel.
It wasn't all the men by the way but it was enough that we can't have a minority of bad people.

In terms of all the women going into Israel I don't know where you get this from. The jews were decreed to wonder in the desert for 40 years until all their carcasses dropped because of the sin of the spies, not because of the golden calf. YOU CAN LOOK IN NUMBERS (BAMIDBAR) CHAPTER 14: Verses 26-37. No where does it say that the women were exempt from this decree. Only children under 20 were exempt which it states in the verses. And Joshua and Caleb and I'm sure their wives too. But no where does it say the other women were exempt from this punishment and if the wives of the men were exempt I would think the torah would specifically say so (which it does not) as it does with the children under 20 of these men. This is a new psat to me. I was never taught that only the men were punished for the sin of the spies. The women should have spoken out that they disagree with their husband and do love Israel yet they went along with their husbands. Who knows who started it also. Men always assume the more public role but women behind the scenes sometimes convince men of a certain action. Either way, the women should have protested and they did not and therefore, they are also guilty and the torah supports my position.

In terms of women's "sprituality" that is a very subjective term. G-d rewards us on our actions not on our "spirituality". This new psat that women are better then men from what you state in Bereshit I was never taught this as a child and I hear this more with Kabalah which "all" the kabalah in my opinion is very suspect.  I have heard the stupidest things with kabalah and I would like a source for this because it is new to me. G-d had to create one sex before the other in the same species but to draw that one is better then the other or more "spiritual" is very subjective. G-d specifically states that g-d created both men and women in g-d's image which clearly he gave both men and women the ability to reason and free choice to chose good and reject evil.

Issiah 3:12 criticizes Israel because "women dominate them". Maybe Issiah didn't learn Kaballah.

adam613:
COULD YOU PLEASE BRING ME PROOF. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE. WHY THEN DOES THE TORAH NOT MENTION THAT THE WOMEN WERE ALLOWED TO GO INTO ISRAEL. It only says children under 20 were allowed. I think you are 100% wrong. Please give me some proof.

adam613:
>If you are going to reject the things Torah says that are pro-women, people will say Judaism is sexist if they only see the other stuff.

First of all if JTF says it is telling the truth it shouldn't make an exception for women.

Secondly, JTF and the Kahanist movement hasn't been too successful attracting women of any kind with the strategy it uses now. If women want to be told they are always great they can go to a leftist site for why would they go to JTF for that when JTF is so contriversol in other area's to be told that they are great  for no other reason that they were born a woman. They can go to a feminist leftist site for that.

Thirdly, I myself have said AND THE TORAH MENTION SOME AREA'S THAT WOMEN'S UNDERSTANDING WAS BETTER THEN MEN.I do believe that and studies have proven it too that in some area's women are naturally better then men are. My concern Yacov is if JTF ONLY says the positive about women it distorts the Torah It should tell women that in some area's, yes, men are naturally better then women are and not be afraid to say this. But they can remind the women that in other area's they have more skills and in certain life area's like children and in the home they have more control then the men do. This "equality of results" is very harmful and is harming women and harming general relations between men and women and is harming marriages and children. It is an issue I honestly feel the Kahanist movement can't ignore for the good of our own people and America's people but also to g-d forbid protect itself from woman that have evil agenda' which if it is too naive towards woman it may be hurt by evil woman.

Women are not little men.

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