Feiglin banned from Britain!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

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The UK's Home Office has banned Likud central committee member Moshe Feiglin from entering Britain.

A letter sent to Feiglin from the office of Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, and published in this week's Jewish Chronicle, says the minister has excluded him from the country, even though he had no plans to visit.

"I am writing to advise you that following the London bombings in July 2005, the home secretary announced a list of particular activities that would normally lead to a person being excluded or deported from the UK on the grounds that their presence in the country is not conducive to the public good," the letter reads.

The unacceptable activities listed in the two-page letter include "writing, producing, publishing or distributing material; public speaking including preaching; running a Web site and using a position of responsibility" to "foment or justify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs; seek to provoke others to terrorist acts; foment other serious criminal activity or seek to provoke others to serious criminal acts and foster hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the UK."

The home secretary concluded that Feiglin should be "excluded" from the UK on the grounds that his presence "would not be conducive to the public good."

According to the Jewish Chronicle, the Home Office would not elaborate on why or how the decision was made. The letter did, however, cite a number of extracts from Feiglin's articles.

In an extract from an article posted on the Arutz Sheva Web site, Feiglin is quoted as saying: "In order to declare that we are right, we have to declare war. It's not the Arabs who are murdering mothers, but those merciful people who gave weapons to the murderers. It's not the Arabs who are burning babies, but the peaceniks who recognized the justice of the Arabs' cause. It's not the cruel people who are bombing us, but the merciful people who showed them mercy. War now! A holy war now."

In another extract, on the Israel Science and Technology homepage, Feiglin is quoted as saying: "The basis of Islam is not the quality of mercy, but of justice. If Christianity bridges the gap between sin and morals by automatic benevolence and absolution (that over long periods were sold by clergy), Islam does this in a far simpler way. It abolishes both benevolence and morals - their holy Muhammad is strong, cruel and deceitful."

These comments brought the leader of the Likud's dissident Jewish Leadership faction "within the scope of the list of unacceptable behaviors," the letter read.

"It is considered that you are seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the UK," the letter added.

There is no right to appeal the ban, but such decisions are reviewed every three years.

Feiglin told the Jewish Chronicle: "This is all very strange, because I have no plans to visit Britain either in the short or the long term. I have never been banned from anywhere else, in fact I am giving a lecture in Canada at the end of this month."

Earlier this month, British authorities granted permission to Ibrahim Mousawi, chief foreign new editor for Hizbullah's Al-Manar television station in Lebanon, to enter the UK to participate in a number of political events.

Accused of anti-Semitism and incitement, and recently banned from entering Ireland, his television station aired a 29-part "documentary" in 2004 in which it depicted stereotypical Jews hatching a plot for Jewish world control and domination.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Al-Manar alleged that 4,000 Jewish employees did not turn up to work at the World Trade Center that day and that the attack was masterminded by Israel.

[Gruzinit]

They should worry less about Moshe Feiglin and more about the Muslims that are wrecking havoc on national security, the welfare system and their very existence.

[Electra]

Jaqui Smith is one nasty, spineless, slug like creature that should not be existing.

What she really meant to say is  'As a Dhimmi I cannot allow my Muslim masters to be upset''.

This is the same person which is forcing us to have ID cards. The Big Brother is watching.

Nasty whore! She can go to Saudi Arabia and flaunt her love for Muslims there. Ugh!

[Ulli]

They should worry less about Moshe Feiglin and more about the Muslims that are wrecking havoc on national security, the welfare system and their very existence.

True

[MarZutra]

England is getting what they disserve.  After years of colonization now the coloniz-ee has become the coloniz-or…   

[bubby]

yeah we are really f%@CK=D HERE she and her government are worthless pieces of [censored] islam promoting democracy hating idiots , i hope that if islam ever does take the uk those liberal twats get it first.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Can't really blame the British gov't here. They are merely enacting the policies 90% of Brits support and agree with. Average Brits may dislike Muzzies, but they hate Jews more.

[DownwithIslam]

This is truly funny because Feiglin is a wimp and isn't advocating what really needs to be done. If they banned Feiglin, you can bet your bottom dollar that Chaim is banned from Britain too. I guess you have to be a muzzie to be allowed into Britain.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I just thought the explanation that "in light of the 2006 London subway bombings we must be more selective in who we admit to our country" was hilarious. 

[Ben Ish Chai]

what's the deal with feigelin?  why is he being "banned" like some sort of vulgar dialect-speaking violence-spreading drug-pushing rapper or vitriol spewing "Jihad" preaching Muslims?  I am positive that the speeches at the Finsbury Park mosque are many multitudes more harmful and inflaming of the masses of Muslim blind followers.  In addition - Feigelin talks about his DOMESTIC situation, and would only speak in England to Jews - the Muslims there incite holy war ON BRITISH SOIL, and organize their global jihad from BRITISH mansions and luxury condominiums.  The muslim terrorists have "bought" a large portion of England, and are also being protected by the left - what an odd marriage, that gives the muslims freedom to beat their women and bash gays while the leftist morons cheer in approval!

my main question is - what is Feigelin's dedication to judaism in Israel?  Is he for democracy?  Is he part of the bolshevik establishment?  Is he a crypto-Kahanist?

[MarZutra]

yeah we are really f%@CK=D HERE she and her government are worthless pieces of excrement islam promoting democracy hating idiots , i hope that if islam ever does take the uk those liberal twats get it first.

England has a fabulous history but sadly the Round Table and their Fabians have turned the empire into a tiny island colony of multi-cultural turd world welfare collecting scum.  My mate from manchester tells me how horrible England has become in the last 10 years.  The once nice places have bars on the windows and full of either communist-eastern Euro/Russian criminals, Ragheads and the low life African filth...

[briann]

England is getting what they disserve.  After years of colonization now the coloniz-ee has become the coloniz-or…   

Thats a bunch of hogwash. EVERY European nation is becoming overrun by muslims, regardless of if they were once colonizers. 
The Brits of today are very nice, generous people, who's only crime is being brainwashed to be overly tolerant to Islamofiscism. 

I don't want to see Muslims overrunning the US, and then the rest of the world to say, ahh, who cares, they deserve it after what their ancestors did to the natives.

You could use that argument for any people.  you can say, the Vietnamese deserved to be overrun by communists, since the vietnamese's ethnic chinese ancestors killed and marginalized the proto-vietnamese pygmies.

Its a stupid argument, that has no relevance to today's Brits.  You should be worried about whats happening to the UK in terms of Islamization.  It affects us all.

Brian

[bubby]

that`s true Briann,we brits have little control over these liberal prats. when i read the original post i was foaming @ the mouth. there seems to be a spirit of stuper over this country and as you sad most of europe,i can`t help feeling that when she dictated that letter she was sticking her middle finger up@G-d ,the leadership of the earth reminds me psalm 2 [a must read] , storm clouds have long beeen gathering,bring on the storm.

[MarZutra]

You will like to read up on the Fabian Society if you wish to become aware of how the Empire collapsed.  Britain has never been good to Jews, toleration at best.  Jews have been fighting the British government tooth and nail especially on the issue of Bolistine.  Much of the problems facing Israel today are origionally British creations. 

My father is British and says he'll never go back to his nation as the utopian elitist government have turned it into an island of foreigners carrying British passports. 

Amazing how people with thousands of years of history culture etc. can piss it all away for some sort of elitist power agenda...    Of course I'm not speaking about the average Brit as like Yank, Canuck, Ausie etc. all want to keep their culture, nationalism and even ethnic heritage...   For example like 90% of Americans want all illegals deported.  This, I feel, is similar with any of the aforementioned countries and too is logical and moral.  The Western World will continue to collapse unless righteous people deal with the problem and not rely on corrupted politicians with personal agendas at work..

And yes this is similarly applicable to most Western nations with exceptions of very few: Iceland perhaps...

[dhimmi_pride]

Feiglin responds:

In response to the letter, Feiglin sent a response to the British government, clarifying that he had never intended to visit the country.

He added, however, that "the reasons for this strange initiative against a political figure in Israel should be investigated. This initiative constitutes another link in the European intervention in Israel's internal issues… Seeing that renowned terrorists like Hizbullah member Ibrahim Mousawwi are welcomed in your country in open arms, I understand that your policy is aimed at encouraging and supporting terror.
 
Feiglin continued to attack the British government, saying that "in the moral situation your nation has deteriorated to, I have no other choice but to view your letter as a great compliment. I am unworthy of the honor you have given me, including me in the dignified list of people like (former Prime Minister) Menachem Begin in the past) – and senior IDF officers in the present."

Feiglin concluded his letter on a sarcastic note: "With the direction you are deteriorating to, I believe that if I ever wish to visit England in the future, I would be forced to submit my request in your official language – Arabic."

Full article
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3517462,00.html

[MarZutra]

I agree with Briann on that. I, coming from English ancestry, feel that the Brits are not only being brainwashed, but also have colonizer guilt. They feel sooo bad over what happened when their ancestors colonized many lands, that now they feel they have to do everything possible to NOT be "racists".
I am sure that back in the days of my English family, they would NOT let the mooslims get away with ANYTHING that they are allowed to get away with! No mosques, 0 tolerance for terrorism, 0 tolerance for any mooslim favoring sharia law, such a person would have been KICKED put of the country!
But now adays, there is too much guilt and fear of being "insensitive" or "racist" against the mooslims.
Britain is a Christian nation and finally, when the Brits realize they have to defend their faith will they realize many things. They will have to love their faith and family more than being politically correct. Someday it will happen. Maybe when mooslims try to outlaw Christians because worshiping the Christian way will "offend them"

I totally agree.  I think this is why I recommend reading up on both the Milner/Rhodes Round Table Group and also the Fabian Society.  The views you expressed above were not the views of the average Brit, nor Canadian for that matter so how did they become the dominant views within the media, text books and British foreign policy. 

There is a very good interview on Google Video done in 2003, I believe, with John T. Gatto about the history of American Academia which relates to Britain and Europe's "Progressive" "Education" as well. 

Further you will very much enjoy this book as it relates to Britian and America:

[MarZutra]

You know, it totally slipped my mind.  I'm reading a MUST read "Eurabia" by Bat Ye'or rite now and this combined with the aforementioned truly shows why Britian, Europe and the West are in total free fall...not to mention the total bankruptcy of Israel's entire political system...  I highly recommend this book and too "While Europe Slept"



All of these combined truly makes one feel the total futility of "voting" in such a corrupted "democratic" process...

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

As the article said he has no plans to visit, so its a pointless order

[briann]

I'll use this time to promote the BNP. http://www.bnp.org.uk/

They are a breath of fresh air, in an otherwise paralyzed nation.

[Song of Silence]

Most people are overreacting. Britain doesn't have to cease to be a multi-cultural society in order to protect itself from terrorists. What a foolish thought! So Britain must become a racist, all-white nation, declaring a state religion and banning every other religion, ethnic groups etc.? This will make people, including non-Muslims, hate Britain even more. At least now, non-Muslims support Britain due to their liberal nature, and are willing to stand against the Muslims in favor of Britain. If Britain becomes intolerant, they're going to lose all the support and sympathy they may otherwise get from non-Muslims in their fight against Islam.

Put simply, be tolerant and liberal toward people who mean you no harm. And be intolerant toward the Muslims and other intolerant groups. It's that simple, and there's no need to stop being liberal or attack the very concept of a multi-cultural society. Why turn everything into an "Us vs. Them" or "Liberal vs Conservative" debate? It's plain silly.

[dhimmi_pride]

I'll use this time to promote the BNP. http://www.bnp.org.uk/

They are a breath of fresh air, in an otherwise paralyzed nation.

Why would u promote those neo-Nazi scum on a jewish forum?!?!
 

[MarZutra]

Most people are overreacting. Britain doesn't have to cease to be a multi-cultural society in order to protect itself from terrorists. What a foolish thought! So Britain must become a racist, all-white nation, declaring a state religion and banning every other religion, ethnic groups etc.? This will make people, including non-Muslims, hate Britain even more. At least now, non-Muslims support Britain due to their liberal nature, and are willing to stand against the Muslims in favor of Britain. If Britain becomes intolerant, they're going to lose all the support and sympathy they may otherwise get from non-Muslims in their fight against Islam.

Put simply, be tolerant and liberal toward people who mean you no harm. And be intolerant toward the Muslims and other intolerant groups. It's that simple, and there's no need to stop being liberal or attack the very concept of a multi-cultural society. Why turn everything into an "Us vs. Them" or "Liberal vs Conservative" debate? It's plain silly.

To be honest, the BNP is a breath of fresh air to my knowledge similarly to that of a Ron Paul in the US.  It is the insanity of "liberalism" and its Socialistic/Communalistic cohorts that have brought, the once, Great Britian into total free fall.  If you look into the specificities of "Multi-Culturalism" you will find its root is the expansion of Socialism not true culture.  One must always keep in the back of their minds that the goal of the aformentioned leftist ideologies is the vanquishing of culture, period.  One must continually ask themselves "how is their goal going to be accomplished".  Answer: "Multi-Culturalism".  If one continually promotes all other's cultures via all mediums and public channels over and above that of the host nation: "invisible majority" (further, while negating/bastardizing the culture, history and heritage of the host nation) what is the outcome?  Pure Hegalian Dialectics brother...no question.

No one is suggesting "racism" or bigotry of any sort only the inept would suggest such.  What one IS saying that if people come to Britian, or any other country, from places with cultures being totally contra to that of the host nation; in this case being the millenia of cultural and ethnic heritage in Great Britian should be treated with a "when in Rome" mentality.  Turd Worlders, Muslims, Hindus etc. should come and live by British Law and by the bases of British Judeo-Christian culture and not force Britian and the British People to adjust their culture, their laws, their values etc. to the "multi-cultural" incoming hordes. One need only look at every other great nation to see the "Achilles heel"....

It is not silly whatsoever to be discussing a Liberal-Conservative view or even an us vs them attitude, only an ignoramus would suggest such without any knowledge of the base of the respective ideologies or history.  Sorry to digress.... 

[Song of Silence]

No one is suggesting "racism" or bigotry of any sort only the inept would suggest such.  What one IS saying that if people come to Britian, or any other country, from places with cultures being totally contra to that of the host nation; in this case being the millenia of cultural and ethnic heritage in Great Britian should be treated with a "when in Rome" mentality.  Turd Worlders, Muslims, Hindus etc. should come and live by British Law and by the bases of British Judeo-Christian culture and not force Britian and the British People to adjust their culture, their laws, their values etc. to the "multi-cultural" incoming hordes. One need only look at every other great nation to see the "Achilles heel"....

What you're suggesting is a Judeo-Christian version of taliban, sorry no educated person is going to take this seriously. A Muslim or a Hindu doesn't have to live by the bases of Judeo-chritain culture in ANY western country, they simply have to LIVE BY THE LAW OF THE LAND. Western nations are secular democracies, not theocracies, where people have to follow judeo-christian culture. It's a sick attitude to even suggest this. Keep religion and politics separate, what religion people follow is nobody's business. This sort of fanatical religion nationalism (instead of a healthy secular nationalism) is only going antagonize more and more people, and make you sound like a western version of Ahmedijinad (sp) or whoever.

[MarZutra]

What you're suggesting is a Judeo-Christian version of taliban, sorry no educated person is going to take this seriously. A Muslim or a Hindu doesn't have to live by the bases of Judeo-chritain culture in ANY western country, they simply have to LIVE BY THE LAW OF THE LAND. Western nations are secular democracies, not theocracies, where people have to follow judeo-christian culture. It's a sick attitude to even suggest this. Keep religion and politics separate, what religion people follow is nobody's business. This sort of fanatical religion nationalism (instead of a healthy secular nationalism) is only going antagonize more and more people, and make you sound like a western version of Ahmedijinad (sp) or whoever.

You are an ignoramus to totally disregard realities and further contort what I have stated above.  The fact that the West ARE now secular: SOCIALIST pseudo-democracies IS a problem.  You are a FOOL to think for one moment that Islam can live peaceful with Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism etc.  What the hell do you think fueled Islam's expansion since the 7th century, four centuries prior to the crusades, to encompass almost 1/4 of the Earth's landmass from Spain to Asia?  Why do you think Muslims are massacring Christians in the Sudan, Phillippines, Lebanon, oppression of the Copts in Egypt or the Hindus in India...of course this is only a meer stint of examples of Islam's staple: Jihad I can supply.. 

Islam is like communism in many respects as it is expansionim at its core and holds no respect nor "tolerance" for any other of non-like ideology: Kufar/Dhimmi.  The fact that the West has replaced its building block of morality with a-morality: Liberalism: Socialism and the Egalitarian ideal is, aside from the corruption, the major problem of why the West is in free fall.  Oswald Spengler isolated this problem of amorality in his 1918 "Decline of the West" as did John T. Flynn in his 1955 work "The Decline of the American Republic".  Combine this Judeo-Christian replacement with Socialism and Islam and a real problem is in the works....  one need look no further than France... 

Some "religions", like socio-political ideologies, have no separation of Chuch and State or did you not know this? 

PS: You think you live in a "Democracy"?  How the Hell is it that all of the competant individuals are weeded out leaving only the similar "internal socialistically" minded elitists? 

[Ben Ish Chai]

What you're suggesting is a Judeo-Christian version of taliban, sorry no educated person is going to take this seriously. A Muslim or a Hindu doesn't have to live by the bases of Judeo-chritain culture in ANY western country, they simply have to LIVE BY THE LAW OF THE LAND. Western nations are secular democracies, not theocracies, where people have to follow judeo-christian culture. It's a sick attitude to even suggest this. Keep religion and politics separate, what religion people follow is nobody's business. This sort of fanatical religion nationalism (instead of a healthy secular nationalism) is only going antagonize more and more people, and make you sound like a western version of Ahmedijinad (sp) or whoever.

honestly... i think you are in the wrong forum, and you should probably join something a lot more liberal and self-hating than JTF.

If you don't think religion and state should be intertwined, I have no idea what attracted you to this forum - are you all about throwing all arabs out of Aretz Yisroel for no reason? or are you in it because we want to create and preserve the distinct Jewish character of the country, using the Torah as a means to guide all laws and decisions.  Yes - we do want a "Jewish-Taliban", in the fact we want Israel to be JEWISH and have jewish laws strictly enforced (that means gays and masochists and the like should move to what will become the "liberal democratic" west).  Israel should NOT be a democracy (because of the problem posed by the arab birthrates), and it should be distinctly Jewish in character - read the torah, and maybe you will become enlightened.

Either way, if you dont agree with this, you don't know jack about Kahane, and you don't belong in a forum dedicated to discussing the proper ways to save Israel and the west.