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White Israelite:
No surprise that the prices on ammo are going out of the roof. There are several excuses for the prices going up, some attribute the war in Iraq. I think that there is more to it.

Rising cost of fuel, the economy going down, the cost of metals (brass) going up, countries destroying their surplus because of pressure by the UN.

I just purchased Wolf ammo only 3 weeks ago at 55.97 for 240 rounds, now at the same store it's 67.97. That's a 12 dollar increase. This is stuff from Russia, steel cased, basically the cheapest stuff you can get.

I recently purchased Serbian surplus ammo for sale Prvi Partizan Ammunition 5.56x45 at 7.29 a box, 20 rounds per box. 6 boxes (120 rounds) and I spent 43.74.

Prices are going way up, just for the American stuff, your looking at spending $10.00 a box.

I don't think it's necessarily the arms the leftists are after, they want to break us by making ammo too expensive for civilians to own. Everyone should own at least 2000 rounds of ammo for when SHTF. Save up on ammo, that's what you will need.

These are prices for .223 ammo.

7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 51 will go up in price too.

If you've been to gun shows lately, you may notice that the cost of firearms has gone up as well. Currently in the US market, we are able to buy all kinds of surplus arms but most of these were imported previous to the import bans, they won't last forever. Price of cheap SKS and AK47's will rise as well.

Is the surplus market going to die out in the US? With UN pressure on countries, there may no longer be a surplus market if all the countries are destroying their old military arms and ammunition.

newman:
Stupid UN!

The UN are actually BUYING surplus rifle & ammo stocks with OUR money!

The dumb part is they're just taking old bolt-actions out of circulation. It does nothing to stop the flow of AK 47s.

All it's achieved on the US homefront is to dry up the supply of cheap Mausers, Nagants, Lee Enfields & their ammo. It's just making shooters buy an M16/AR15 or AK-type rifle for $800 with a credit card instead of $200 cash for an old bolt gun to get cheaper .223 or 7.62x39 ammo.

More 'assault rifles' in private ownership is a good thing for the 2A, so more fool them.

BTW,

Cheap ammo here:

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|477

White Israelite:

--- Quote from: newman on March 12, 2008, 02:26:21 PM ---Stupid UN!

The UN are actually BUYING surplus rifle & ammo stocks with OUR money!

The dumb part is they're just taking old bolt-actions out of circulation. It does nothing to stop the flow of AK 47s.

All it's achieved on the US homefront is to dry up the supply of cheap Mausers, Nagants, Lee Enfields & their ammo. It's just making shooters buy an M16/AR15 or AK-type rifle for $800 with a credit card instead of $200 cash for an old bolt gun to get cheaper .223 or 7.62x39 ammo.

More 'assault rifles' in private ownership is a good thing for the 2A, so more fool them.

BTW,

Cheap ammo here:

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|477



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I normally buy from MidwayUSA or sportsmanguide, sometimes cheaperthandirt as well because they don't require ID or anything and the UPS guy just leaves the package on my door.

A lot of people think the Assault Weapon Ban ended, it really didn't. We still can't buy "new" AK47's from overseas, the ones currently sold in the US are either

Preban which was before the import ban, 100 percent surplus.

or Afterban which means it contains a certain amount of American parts in it to comply by Federal law.

The ban originally included Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as:
Norinco, Mitchell, Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); Action Arms I.M.I. UZI and Galil; Beretta AR-70 (SC70); Colt AR-15; Fabrique Nationale FN-FAL/LAR, and FNC; SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; Steyr AUG; Intratec TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; and revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

The anti's hadn't conceived of a loophole that would allow people to purchase the firearms, instead it just increased US business by importing parts kits from the countries and then making the receiver in America under another name instead.

That's how I was able to legally get my Galil, Guatemala imported a bunch of Galils at one point and were selling them off by demilling the receivers and selling the parts kit to the US as "spare parts" and used to build new Galils on US made receiver.

The Anti's are trying to close this loophole now by banning the parts kits or rather banning by features like so called "high cap magazines" and certain features found on military style rifles.

It sucks that this is the only option to get a new rifle is on old beat up parts kits on US receivers but at least we have the option for now. Stock up on spare parts and ammo because we will need them. I will personally be buying at least 4 different parts kits and storing them somewhere.

newman:
You should look at the Saiga AK sporters.

Made in Russia at the Ishmash factory, chrome-lined barrels, proper AK parts. All for $275-$290 brand new!!

They have 14 of the 922 reg foreign parts. A new US forend (1 part) from Tapco is $60 and US 30 rd mags (3 parts) are $39 ea. That gets you the "10 or less" foreign parts for 922 compliance so high capoacity mags, pistol grips are fine then.

A full-on back to military AKM spec Saiga legal US parts gun is under $800 but The sporter configuration is just as good as is.

White Israelite:

--- Quote from: newman on March 12, 2008, 03:08:21 PM ---You should look at the Saiga AK sporters.

Made in Russia at the Ishmash factory, chrome-lined barrels, proper AK parts. All for $275-$290 brand new!!

They have 14 of the 922 reg foreign parts. A new US forend (1 part) from Tapco is $60 and US 30 rd mags (3 parts) are $39 ea. That gets you the "10 or less" foreign parts for 922 compliance so high capoacity mags, pistol grips are fine then.

A full-on back to military AKM spec Saiga legal US parts gun is under $800 but The sporter configuration is just as good as is.

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I knew those Saigas were cheap, I wonder what the catch is. I've heard nothing but good stuff about them.

I would personally love an AK pistol as their exempt from 922 (r) (which requires less than a number of foreign parts in the gun to be legal). Only problem is, if you throw a stock on it, it is classed as a "short barrel rifle" and that's a problem. Of course that's not going to stop people from doing it anyways as long as they don't brag about it or pose in pictures with it.

It's amazing to think that if I throw a stock on a Glock pistol that I become a Felon. What a load of garbage.

When I built my Galil, I had to have 5 parts for it to be legal. I had to use non chromelined US barrel by green mountain (which is a peice of [censored] in my opinion), US receiver (by Ohio Rapid Fire, milled just like the original Galil receiver), and Tapco double hook fire control group. Too bad federal law prohibits possession of the original FCG, most parts kits have them anyways but you have to pretty much discard of them if you own the weapon they go to.

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