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McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« on: March 12, 2008, 05:00:15 PM »
In a recent interview with Community magazine, Mccain was asked this :
 
"Many say that Jonathan Pollard, who passed secrets to Israel 25 years ago, recieved a disproportionate punishment. Would you consider pardoning him?"

His answer -"No. He was a traitor. And I understand the Jewish community and the Israeli community. He broke our laws. Im familiar with the pollard case intimately. He has to be reminded time aftr time".

Another question he was asked -"What about Ronald Monteperto, who passed secrets to China, and recieved three months in jail? seems unfair"

McCains answer -" Because someone didnt get the right punishment, doesnt mean I am going to pardon someone, clearly. I understand. Ive had conversations with Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon on this.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 05:22:40 PM »
For a person who has been in politics so long McCain really handles issues like a new kid on the block. In some ways this might be good because McCain may actually be speaking whats on his mind where a more deceitful person may tell the interviewer what they want to hear. Be that as it may the fact that Pollard has spent so many years in prison while others that did far worse damage to American security get slaps on the wrist says volumes.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 05:40:48 PM »
I haven't heard nice things about Jonathan Pollard. If Ronald Olive is right, this guy Pollard went to Pakistan and other countries and tried to sell them information about the U.S before he gave it to Israel.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 06:04:34 PM »
I'm assuming people here are correct to support him, but I don't know enough about the Pollard case to really have an opinion. Do you guys know of a link or a video where I can go to see JTF's position on what happened and maybe some more explanation about why it was ok for him to do that? I've only heard bad things and I see everyone here is totally in support of Pollard, so I'm thinking I may have gotten some bad information and I'd like to see the right information. I'd like to be able to understand more.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 07:34:36 PM »
I haven't heard nice things about Jonathan Pollard. If Ronald Olive is right, this guy Pollard went to Pakistan and other countries and tried to sell them information about the U.S before he gave it to Israel.


You are an Anti-Semite. Consider yourself warned.

Pollard is a very patriotic American, Israeli, and Jew. He is a hero.


What in the world did I say that is anti-semitic?
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 08:55:49 PM »
i'm sure if we asked him about JTF and Meir Kahane, he would say the same thing.

He's a liberal...and in this election, it will be a liberal versus a communist/socialist...
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 08:57:39 PM »
All I can say is that even though what he did was heroic for Israel and the rest of us, he broke the law.  however, his punishment is not equal to those who have done the same thing or worse...that's the injustice!
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 09:53:04 PM »
I once read some very vicious things about what Pollard supposedly did, but I think they were written by an anti-Semite so they are probably not be true.  I know Chaim supports him and that is pretty much enough for me to be in his corner.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 09:53:40 PM »
All I can say is that even though what he did was heroic for Israel and the rest of us, he broke the law.  however, his punishment is not equal to those who have done the same thing or worse...that's the injustice!


He didn't break the law. The information he gave was supposed to be given to Israel according to a treaty signed between the two countries. The self-hating American leaders didn't honor the treaty.



where did you learn about this?  interesting...
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 10:05:34 PM »
I haven't heard nice things about Jonathan Pollard. If Ronald Olive is right, this guy Pollard went to Pakistan and other countries and tried to sell them information about the U.S before he gave it to Israel.


You are an Anti-Semite. Consider yourself warned.

Pollard is a very patriotic American, Israeli, and Jew. He is a hero.


What in the world did I say that is anti-semitic?


Being against Jonathan Pollard equals Anti-Semitism.


Who said I was against Jonathan Pollard? You are obviously being obtuse on purpose. Quit your personal vendetta against me.

This is what I posted:
I haven't heard nice things about Jonathan Pollard. If Ronald Olive is right, this guy Pollard went to Pakistan and other countries and tried to sell them information about the U.S before he gave it to Israel.
Ronald Olive is an author who wrote a book on Pollard. In it he says Pollard offered this same information he gave to Israel to Pakistan first. Till this day no one knows exactly what he revealed.




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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 10:22:33 PM »
He shouldn't have been spying on us.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 10:26:33 PM »
John Mccain, Yimach Shmo vezichro. May cancer metastasize on his genitals as well as his face. What this country has done to pollard is a massive crime against humanity and will lead to this countries destruction. Also Yacov, you are absolutely correct for admonishing anyone who has the chutzpa to attack and slander a heroic saint like pollard. The man has sat in prison for so much of his life simply because he didn't want jews to suffer another holocaust. I can't even comprehend what kind of monster would slander and see any fault in pollard. Anyone who even makes a joke against pollard should be banned immediately at the very least. Lets hope g-d takes over from there and gives that individual what he really deserves.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 10:36:39 PM »
Yimach Shemo VeZichro to that Jew hater!



   That is why we cannot support him even to defeat Osama. Even though the odds are against us, we need to push for another option. Until someone presents a better candidate, I am voting for Bernhard Geotz as president. Actually wait. Perhaps we should vote for Pollard.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 10:39:00 PM »
I can understand why the politicians are against J. Pollard.  No politician wants to support a guy who spied on America, regardless of the consequences like if the act helped the world in the long run by bombing Iraq's nuclear reactors.  It's bad for their political career as people don't see past the spy part.  And Yacov, I think if someone gives documents labeled "secret" or "classified" to another country, it's considered spying regardless if the information should have been shared.  The only hope we have is someone who is at the end of his career and retiring who might pardon Pollard for serving time way beyond what he deserved or if Israel demands his release as a firm prerequisite to even talk to the US or the EU. 
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 10:41:38 PM »
I think that pardoning pollard would increase the politicians standing among evangelical christians. Only muslim chayos will be upset about a pollard pardon.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 10:43:10 PM »
All I can say is that even though what he did was heroic for Israel and the rest of us, he broke the law.  however, his punishment is not equal to those who have done the same thing or worse...that's the injustice!


He didn't break the law. The information he gave was supposed to be given to Israel according to a treaty signed between the two countries. The self-hating American leaders didn't honor the treaty.



where did you learn about this?  interesting...

Yup I read that the Americans were purposely withholding some information they had agreed to share which included Syrian chemical weapons and that one of the antisemites withholding (and who later tried to get Pollard put away for life) said to keep that info secret and something like, 'the Jews will all have a fit if they find out about chemical weapons threat'

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 10:46:11 PM »
I think we should stop looking to American politicians to free Pollard and start blaming Israel.  If Israel really wanted to they could free Pollard.  They simply have to kidnap Condoleeeeesa Rice on her trip to Israel and blame it on Arabs.  Secretly pass the information on to the higher ups that the Mossad knows where she is and will bring her back alive if Pollard is freed. 
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 10:52:39 PM »
I think we should stop looking to American politicians to free Pollard and start blaming Israel.  If Israel really wanted to they could free Pollard.  They simply have to kidnap Condoleeeeesa Rice on her trip to Israel and blame it on Arabs.  Secretly pass the information on to the higher ups that the Mossad knows where she is and will bring her back alive if Pollard is freed. 

I actually think congoleeza needs to be dropped into a housing project in harlem and let the neighborhood bros take care of her.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 01:04:40 AM »
I think we should stop looking to American politicians to free Pollard and start blaming Israel.  If Israel really wanted to they could free Pollard.  They simply have to kidnap Condoleeeeesa Rice on her trip to Israel and blame it on Arabs.  Secretly pass the information on to the higher ups that the Mossad knows where she is and will bring her back alive if Pollard is freed. 

Its very hard to get people to support your cause when you guys speak of things like this and if anyone disagrees with you they are a anti-Semite. If I were a anti-Semite, why would I bother wasting my time here, theres much better things to do then hide my feelings about Jews and then say that Pollard was a traitor spy.

I don't care whether the spy is from ally or not, treason is a very serious crime and shouldn't be taken lightly.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2008, 01:14:41 AM »
Lets put it this way, if you're a Jew you're always (sol) especially if you're stuck in prison.  It's politically incorrect to do Justice, and release Pollard. 

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 01:36:38 AM »
I think we should stop looking to American politicians to free Pollard and start blaming Israel.  If Israel really wanted to they could free Pollard.  They simply have to kidnap Condoleeeeesa Rice on her trip to Israel and blame it on Arabs.  Secretly pass the information on to the higher ups that the Mossad knows where she is and will bring her back alive if Pollard is freed. 

Its very hard to get people to support your cause when you guys speak of things like this and if anyone disagrees with you they are a anti-Semite. If I were a anti-Semite, why would I bother wasting my time here, theres much better things to do then hide my feelings about Jews and then say that Pollard was a traitor spy.

I don't care whether the spy is from ally or not, treason is a very serious crime and shouldn't be taken lightly.

What are you talking about?  He never even faced treason charges.  He plead guilty on one count of spying for Israel.  That's it.  That sentence is 2-4 years MAX for any other non Jewish offender of even WORSE than what he is convicted for.  It is a clear case of injustice.  The fact that one can't see it as being an injustice means they are judging with a double standard.  Where the roots of this double standard stem from are not for me to figure out nor do I care.  Perhaps it is mostly ignorance that most people just do not know the facts of this case and just throw around terms like 'traitor' when he wasn't one.   

Let's be clear.  NONE of the information Pollard shared compromised US security interests.  He simply shared information that the US was obligated to share under agreements, and by withholding, was actually compromising ISRAEL'S SECURITY.  Thus why Pollard is a Jewish hero. 

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 01:36:59 AM »
McCain could stick it where the sun doesnt shine, schmuck.

Should the US spy on Israel?

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 01:50:19 AM »
McCain could stick it where the sun doesnt shine, schmuck.

Should the US spy on Israel?

Agression, you are treading on thin ice by even questioning the heroism of jonothan pollard. He did not commit treason. He was of great service to this country and prevented american soldiers from being smoked. G-d will strike you if you attack this prisoner of zion.
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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 01:50:44 AM »
McCain could stick it where the sun doesnt shine, schmuck.

Should the US spy on Israel?

You don't think they do??? LOL, all countries spy on one another, allies and enemies included.  Again, spying is a general term.  Specifically what crime was committed, is NOT what Pollard's punishment reflects.

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Re: McCains comments about Jonathan Pollard
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 01:57:58 AM »
Get the jew hater "aggression" off this site. May his genitals be cooked like a burnt hot dog. Here he is with the typical islamic press release that the jews are bad.
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