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Sweden's sex law: Get the customer
Once a radical model, it's now under consideration by other countries

The Associated Press


STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Selling sex isn't illegal in Sweden, but buying is — a radical approach to prostitution that faced ridicule when it was introduced nine years ago.

Now, while Americans are preoccupied with the downfall of New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer in a prostitution scandal, some countries are considering emulating the Swedish model, which prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.

Officials say the changed approach has reduced the demand for prostitutes and reshaped attitudes toward the sex trade.

"We don't have a problem with prostitutes. We have a problem with men who buy sex," said Kajsa Wahlberg, of the human trafficking unit at Sweden's national police board.

She said foreign law enforcement officials and politicians are coming to Sweden in droves to learn more about its 1999 law.

Netherlands looks at Swedish approach
On Friday, Wahlberg was meeting with police officials from the Netherlands, where prostitution is legal but where authorities have closed some brothels in a crackdown on organized crime in Amsterdam's red light district.

In January, a high-level British delegation came to study the Swedish approach as Britain reviews its own prostitution laws, which prohibit soliciting and loitering for sex, but not buying sex.

Norway's government plans to propose a Swedish-style prostitution law after Easter.

Under Sweden's so-called "Sex Purchase Law," paying for sex is punished by fines or up to six months in prison, plus the humiliation of public exposure. A handful of Swedish judges have been caught up in prostitution scandals, including a Supreme Court justice who was fined in 2005 after admitting to paying for sex with a young man.

Pimps and brothel keepers are also prosecuted, but not prostitutes, because they are viewed as victims, treated as commodities in the sex trade.

Critics say problem is merely moved
While authorities judge the new system a success, critics question whether it has really reduced prostitution or merely pushed it off the streets into more isolated and dangerous surroundings. Wahlberg concedes that accurate statistics are hard to obtain, but estimates the number of prostitutes in Sweden dropped 40 percent from 2,500 in 1998 to 1,500 in 2003.

She says police know from eavesdropping on human trafficking rings that Sweden is considered bad business because of its tough stance.

"They are calculating profits, costs and marketing and the risk of getting caught," Wahlberg said. "We're trying to create a bad market for these activities."

Conscious of the international interest, Sweden's government is planning a thorough review of the effects of the law, expected to be ready next year.

Petra Ostergren, a writer who has studied prostitution for a decade, doesn't think it has worked well.

"Sex purchases have not decreased, many young women sell sex temporarily over the Internet to fund university studies," she said.

Escort says violence is a problem
A 46-year-old escort who is a vocal opponent of the law said it had left prostitutes more vulnerable to violence. "If a sex worker seeks to establish contact with a client on the street, and police are waiting around the corner, she's going to jump into the car without making a security assessment," she said.

The mother of two, known to the public by the pseudonym Isabella Lund, said authorities never consulted sex workers on the change.

The Swedish law took effect at a time when many European countries were moving in another direction. Neighboring Denmark, for example, decriminalized prostitution in 1999 after quietly tolerating it for two decades.

Most European countries prohibit pimping and running brothels, but tolerate prostitution and penalize neither prostitutes nor clients. Brothels are legal in Holland and Germany provided they have business licenses.

Marianne Eriksson said she was ridiculed by fellow lawmakers when she first proposed the change in the European Parliament in 1997.

"To them it was the most absurd thing they ever heard. Many of them roared with laughter," recalled Eriksson, who has since left Europe's elected multinational legislature to chair the Stockholm branch of the opposition Left Party.

Today, she said, she feels the Swedish model has "a very strong response" in other European countries, even if many of them ultimately decide against adopting it.

The view of prostitution as a legacy of a societal order that subordinates women to men is universally accepted among major political parties in gender-conscious Sweden.

The urge to set things right led Claes Borgstrom, Sweden's equality ombudsman, to propose that the country boycott the 2006 soccer World Cup in Germany, because of an expected surge in prostitution during the monthlong tournament. The idea was immediately rejected by the Swedish soccer federation.

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 11:42:25 AM »
I'm not against prostitution unless it's forced. If you want to have sex for money it's your right to do so unless you're forcing people into prostitution or people involed are below the age of consent. If everything is consensual and legal then I see no problem.
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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 11:48:19 AM »
I'm not against prostitution unless it's forced. If you want to have sex for money it's your right to do so unless you're forcing people into prostitution or people involed are below the age of consent. If everything is consensual and legal then I see no problem.

I agree.

How can it be legal for a PR lady to sleep with a client to get an advertising account or an aspiring actress to sleep with a casting director to obtain a movie role but illegal for a woman to recieve $100 for the same thing?

The Swedish law looks like feminism gone mad (er).

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 12:28:49 PM »
The Swedish laws are aimed against men, unless they're muslim of course; in this case the woman acusing him of... no protitution but rape will be acused of rascism; Sweden is first PC totalitarian state:

The Death of Sweden


A judge who hears migration appeals had his house vandalized by left-wing extremists. Threats were sprayed on the walls, red paint was poured over the steps and an axe was left outside his home.

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The group Antifascistisk Action (AFA) writes on its homepage that the attack was motivated by the situation of Iraqi asylum seekers.

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AFA openly brag about numerous attacks against persons who get their full name and address published on their website. According to them, this is done in order to fight against capitalist exploitation and for a global, classless society. Their logic goes something like this: If you protest against Muslim immigration, you suffer from Islamophobia, which is almost the same as xenophobia, which is almost the same as racism. And racists are almost Fascists and Nazis, as we all know, and they shouldn’t be allowed to voice their opinions in public. Hence, if you protest against being assaulted or raped by Muslims, you are evil and need to be silenced. If a native Swede is really lucky, he or she will thus first get mugged or battered by Muslims, and then beaten up a second time by his own extreme Leftists for objecting to being beaten the first time. The state does next to nothing to prevent either.

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 12:31:41 PM »
I'm not against prostitution unless it's forced. If you want to have sex for money it's your right to do so unless you're forcing people into prostitution or people involed are below the age of consent. If everything is consensual and legal then I see no problem.

What I find interesting is that they're enacting the same law New Zealand used to have (before prostitution was fully decriminalised) - I mean, when the line is drawn between the person offering to pay vs. asking for payment, it really starts to sound stupid. In the end, if it is two consenting adults, the government should play no role in what kinky things the two might get up to.

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 04:25:34 AM »
Both or neither of them, this is unjust unmoral and "sexist" law but what you can expect from Sweden the Sodom of modern Europe.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 06:24:36 PM »
Not sure, but I say leave moralizing to G-d, not Governments.

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 06:55:26 PM »
A clear case of policy shift...

From "supply side no*kie" to "demand side no*kie"!

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Re: Sweden's New Laws To Punish Johns, Rather Than Prostitutes
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 07:04:57 PM »
I think the Johns should be punished as well as the prostitutes.
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