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Shalom!
DALMACIJA:
--- Quote from: JelenaSrb on March 31, 2008, 04:05:58 PM ---I also don't have problem with your false ideology and wrong interpretation of The Tanach! The same way I respect you as a human being and your choice to believe in your G-d and your "Messiah" !
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Please Jelena,
Do not try to teach them to much.
They are free people to do what ever they want.
If they do not believe in Jesus that is something among them selves.
G-d is maybe using their position and the fact that they only recognize The Tanach?
Who knows. everything has it's purpose.
We should not continue this discussion about religion.
Serbs are the comrades of every honest Jews.
We showed our solidarity to the Jews during WW2 when we saved them from the hands of the Nazis.
Lets stop to look at our differences.
We are both anti Nazi and we have a lot in common with each other.
JelenaSrb:
Well, I don't want to argue! He said first that I believe in false ideology! I am strong Orthodox believer and if I were Jewish I would probably be ultra-orthodox! :) Now you know how fanatical I am! Anyway, I was talking about Muslims not Jews!
You see, there cannot be deeper friendship between us ( Orthodox) and Jews and we all know why! I am too honest maybe and that is why they can't stand it!
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: DALMACIJA on March 31, 2008, 03:57:52 PM ---Jelena is not naive.
She just does not want to chose for hate.
Of course we condemn murders, criminals and Nazis.
But to say that a whole group of people which follows a certain religion is equal with the Nazis is just to far. Even if the majority is allied with a false theory you should not attack the weak the children and the women. Because that is no solution. You can overpower them if you destroy their leaders and convince them that they are following a wrong way. By trying to kill them all you will give them more arguments to continue their blind fight against you and you will make martyrs of them.
You must know your enemies. And you must resist them.
But never join them, never accept their way of thinking and their inferior values!
Just like David did not throw the spear to Saul when Saul tried to kill him.
If David had thrown the spear back he would become just like Saul.
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With that I completely agree, I also chose not to hate, yet I oppose evil. And I do not suggest we should exterminate the Muslims nor indiscriminately slaying them.
--- Quote from: JelenaSrb on March 31, 2008, 04:05:58 PM ---Not all Muslims kill and rape! I am sure that they do not choose to be evil especially not those who are truly religious among Muslims! They see Jihad as spiritual fight! I am not talking about fanatics who perhaps interpret Kuran wrongly! That is also possible!
I also don't have problem with your false ideology and wrong interpretation of The Tanach! The same way I respect you as a human being and your choice to believe in your G-d and your "Messiah" !
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This is were I see your ideology as wrong- It's not fanatics who misinterpret Islam, Islam specifically commands believers to do what they do. It's true, not every Muslim kills and rape, butif you think it proves that Islam isn't about killing you're still wrong. I am using Nazi as analogy to Muslim, so you can understand why someone who claims to be a 'moderate and yet pious proud Nazi who has never committed murder' don't have my gratitude for being that.
Anyway this is what I referred as your false ideology, I said nothing about your religion, which I respect.
Ultra Requete:
Do you checked the links I gave you? The "good" muslims are those who live acording to both Koran and Hadithes and those who're not backing up the jihad are "bad" muslims the hipocrites who're to be killed too:
Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.
"Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an 9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible death
Isslam doesn't mean peace that's Sallam but submission the slavery to moon "god".
HiWarp:
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Now I am talking to Orthodox Christians here.....I cannot imagine any true Christian to hate anybody except satan and antichrist! Read what Saint Nikolai Velimirovich said about hating the enemies. I strongly recommend you read the book "Prayers by the Lake" .
I am aware that Islam is not a very peaceful religion and I personally don't like it at all! But when it comes to people who accepted that religion I cannot judge them for being what they are. It is extremely difficult to be Christian but Lord never said it would be easy! I'm not saying that we should forget that Muslims did terrible things to our people in Kosovo, destroyed Churches, medieval monasteries...But G-d knows everything, sees everything..and waits patiently! :)
After all, we cannot expect justice on earth! We never believed in earthly kingdom!
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Since you are talking to Orthodox Christians, as one, I will answer you. It is possible to defend yourself against evil people who wish you and your loved ones dead by doing everything you can, including killing them, but without hate. Love your enemies is for YOUR benefit, not your enemies' benefit. It means whatever you do, do not do it with a burning hatred in your heart because it will damage you both spiritually and physically. It does not mean when someone is racing toward you with a gun or a knife, love them blindly, turn the other cheek and get shot or stabbed.
And, by the way, welcome aboard.
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