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UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« on: March 26, 2008, 04:38:00 PM »

It is hard to believe there are millions of self-hating Jews in this country. >:(

Obama, Clinton tied among Jewish Dems

Ron Kampeas / jta , THE JERUSALEM POST   Mar. 26, 2008

Even as conservatives continue to paint Barack Obama as being surrounded by anti-Israel advisers, a new poll shows the Illinois senator and Hillary Rodham Clinton in a neck-and-neck battle for Jewish support.

A Gallup Poll tracking views March 1-22 found Jewish Democrats in a statistical dead heat in their support for their party's presidential nominees.

Clinton, a New York senator, led Obama, 48 percent to 43 percent - a differential falling within the 6 percent margin of error for the 368 Jews who were interviewed.

At the same time, Obama did better among Jews than among white Protestants and white Catholics.

The poll comes after months of aggressive efforts by Obama and his campaign staff to repel ongoing e-mail attacks painting him as unsupportive of Israel, and amid speculation that he was in danger of losing Jewish support.

Over the past week, conservative Web sites revealed and played up the fact that Obama's pastor reprinted a Los Angeles Times opinion piece challenging Israel's right to exist, and pointed to a 2003 interview in which one of his top advisers appeared to blame the pro-Israel lobby for failures in the Middle East peace process.

Citing these sorts of attacks in its news release on the survey, Gallup seemed surprised by the close margin among Jewish voters. But some Democratic observers familiar with the Jewish community said the tight battle should not come as a shock.

Mark Mellman, a top Democratic pollster, noted that the Jewish community is rich in two constituencies that are considered natural redoubts for each of the candidates.

"White women favor Clinton and college-educated white men favor Obama," said Mellman, who has not declared for either candidate.

Ira Forman, the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, agreed, noting that Clinton also was likelier to draw older voters.

"We've got a Jewish electorate that's professional and highly educated, and that's good for Obama," said Forman, who also has not endorsed a candidate. "We've got a Jewish electorate that's also older, and that's not good for Obama."

The national Gallup Poll, conducted March 21-22 and on March 24, found the two candidates were virtually tied, with 47 percent for Obama and 45 percent for Clinton. For results based on this sample of 4,399 registered voters, the margin of error was plus or minus 2 percentage points.

They were virtually tied among Protestants in this poll. But among white Protestants, Clinton topped Obama, 56 percent to 34 percent. She commanded a similar lead among white and non-white Catholics.

Obama leads among those with no religious affiliation and those affiliating with non-Christian and non-Jewish religions. Gallup did not break down results according to region, age, income or college education, so it was unclear if the differences among white groups were a function of any of those characteristics.

Given the broad timeline when the poll of Jewish voters was conducted, many of the respondents would have registered their views before the controversy over Obama's former pastor reached a peak in mid-March with the broadcast of some of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's more controversial sermons condemning US policy in the Middle East.

Obama and his staffers have waged an aggressive campaign to roll back concerns over Wright. They also have insisted that other critics of Israeli policy, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Carter administration's national security adviser, and Robert Malley, a Clinton administration Middle East negotiator, had been incorrectly identified in some media reports as the candidate's main advisers.

Obama also was quick to denounce a Los Angeles Times op-ed by a Hamas leader after it came to light that Wright had republished it last summer in his church bulletin. In an e-mail to JTA, Obama called the op-ed "outrageously wrong." The candidate has consistently defended Israel and condemned Hamas terrorists.

In a broader speech last week on Wright's inflammatory rhetoric, Obama singled out Israel as an area where he disagreed with Wright, saying his former pastors' views on the US-Israel relationship were "profoundly distorted."

The freshest controversy, however, may be tougher to douse. The American Spectator, a conservative magazine, uncovered a 2003 interview with U.S. Army Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, currently a co-chairman of the Obama campaign and -- like Obama -- an early and consistent critic of the Iraq war.

In the interview with The Oregonian, McPeak faulted the Bush administration's Iraq policy in part for not being part of a broader Middle East strategy. Asked who is at fault - the White House or the State Department - he answered: "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote - vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."

The fact that Gallup played up the Jewish findings when releasing its surveys this week reflects a common misunderstanding among many political analysts unfamiliar with the Jewish community. Many of these analysts tend to overemphasize the importance of Israel policy.

"Obama's ability to win votes in the US Jewish community has been questioned, given suggestions that he does not support Israel as strongly as other candidates," the release said. "Some of Obama's supporters (including the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of Obama's church) and foreign policy advisers are regarded as anti-Israel. Obama has met with Jewish leaders to reassure them of his commitment to Israel."

Unless Israel is perceived as being imperiled by a candidate's views, it historically has not figured as a make-or-break issue with Jewish voters.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1206446106127&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter


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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2008, 04:38:49 PM »
The Jews who vote for them are morons ;D

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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 04:39:22 PM »
How can they even bother to vote for either one of these turds is beyond my understanding.
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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 04:41:12 PM »
How can they even bother to vote for either one of these turds is beyond my understanding.

It makes it easy to see how so many Jews went without resistance to their deaths in Germany.

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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 05:04:36 PM »
Sen. Barack Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman has implied U.S. politicians are afraid of
Jewish voters in Miami and New York City and that American Jews are the "problem" impeding a solution to the Israeli-
terrorist organizations to what he described as religious radicals in Oregon and claimed "born-again [Christians]" supported the war in Iraq to help Israel. McPeak once claimed Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.
Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Samantha Power, who was described as Obama's closest adviser (until she resigned earlier this month) was a known anti-Jew.

Then there is the jihad activist who wrote about how Obama praised his work for pro-PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi causes and how Obama was sorry he could not be more "up front" in the campaign in support of PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi issues but that it was a difficult campaign (his run for US Senate).

Then there are Obama's own words:"I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS should the political winds turn in an ugly direction" Audacity Of Hope.
"Nobody is suffering more than the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi people" (Don't believe he said THAT? Google the statement)

Jewish Americans would have to be out of their minds or have a death wish to vote for this anti-Semitic, Anti-American, black racist OBAMANATION.
His association with Wright, the so-called "church" and black liberation racist theology for over TWENTY YEARS make it PERFECTLY clear that this is exactly who Obama is and what he believes. It is also born out by the people he has advising him, those supporting him and the company he keeps. Obama's sympathies to Israel's enemies, who are plotting Holocaust II, are well documented.

I do not understand these people!  Given all the above and more, Why would they vote for Obama?
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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 05:05:52 PM »
How can they even bother to vote for either one of these turds is beyond my understanding.

It makes it easy to see how so many Jews went without resistance to their deaths in Germany.


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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2008, 05:39:11 PM »
This doesn't surprise me at all. There is a Jewish girl in my chorus that is a volunteer for Hussein's campaign.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2008, 06:41:10 PM »
YOU CAN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN IN THE JERUSALEM POST, AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE GALLUP POLL EITHER!

THIS IS PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO CREATE OPINION, NOT TO MEASURE IT!

I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW WESTERN NEWS SERVICES RUN FIRST TO THE JERUSALEM POST AND HA'ARETZ, WHEN LOOKING FOR ISRAELI NEWS REPORTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EASIEST TO ACCESS IN ENGLISH AND ARE THE MOST PROMINENT.

UNFORTUNATELY, RELYING ON THEM FOR MIDDLE EAST NEWS IS ABOUT LIKE THE AP TRUSTING THE FORMER USSR's PRAVDA AND IZVESTIA AS SOURCES OF TRUTH.

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2008, 07:56:15 PM »
YOU CAN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN IN THE JERUSALEM POST, AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE A SINGLE GALLUP POLL EITHER!

THIS IS PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO CREATE OPINION, NOT TO MEASURE IT!

I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW WESTERN NEWS SERVICES RUN FIRST TO THE JERUSALEM POST AND HA'ARETZ, WHEN LOOKING FOR ISRAELI NEWS REPORTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EASIEST TO ACCESS IN ENGLISH AND ARE THE MOST PROMINENT.

UNFORTUNATELY, RELYING ON THEM FOR MIDDLE EAST NEWS IS ABOUT LIKE THE AP TRUSTING THE FORMER USSR's PRAVDA AND IZVESTIA AS SOURCES OF TRUTH.

So is there a good Israeli news source that's available online in English?

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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
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It is hard to believe there are millions of self-hating Jews in this country. >:(

Obama, Clinton tied among Jewish Dems

Ron Kampeas / jta , THE JERUSALEM POST   Mar. 26, 2008

Even as conservatives continue to paint Barack Obama as being surrounded by anti-Israel advisers, a new poll shows the Illinois senator and Hillary Rodham Clinton in a neck-and-neck battle for Jewish support.

A Gallup Poll tracking views March 1-22 found Jewish Democrats in a statistical dead heat in their support for their party's presidential nominees.

Clinton, a New York senator, led Obama, 48 percent to 43 percent - a differential falling within the 6 percent margin of error for the 368 Jews who were interviewed.

At the same time, Obama did better among Jews than among white Protestants and white Catholics.

The poll comes after months of aggressive efforts by Obama and his campaign staff to repel ongoing e-mail attacks painting him as unsupportive of Israel, and amid speculation that he was in danger of losing Jewish support.

Over the past week, conservative Web sites revealed and played up the fact that Obama's pastor reprinted a Los Angeles Times opinion piece challenging Israel's right to exist, and pointed to a 2003 interview in which one of his top advisers appeared to blame the pro-Israel lobby for failures in the Middle East peace process.

Citing these sorts of attacks in its news release on the survey, Gallup seemed surprised by the close margin among Jewish voters. But some Democratic observers familiar with the Jewish community said the tight battle should not come as a shock.

Mark Mellman, a top Democratic pollster, noted that the Jewish community is rich in two constituencies that are considered natural redoubts for each of the candidates.

"White women favor Clinton and college-educated white men favor Obama," said Mellman, who has not declared for either candidate.

Ira Forman, the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, agreed, noting that Clinton also was likelier to draw older voters.

"We've got a Jewish electorate that's professional and highly educated, and that's good for Obama," said Forman, who also has not endorsed a candidate. "We've got a Jewish electorate that's also older, and that's not good for Obama."

The national Gallup Poll, conducted March 21-22 and on March 24, found the two candidates were virtually tied, with 47 percent for Obama and 45 percent for Clinton. For results based on this sample of 4,399 registered voters, the margin of error was plus or minus 2 percentage points.

They were virtually tied among Protestants in this poll. But among white Protestants, Clinton topped Obama, 56 percent to 34 percent. She commanded a similar lead among white and non-white Catholics.

Obama leads among those with no religious affiliation and those affiliating with non-Christian and non-Jewish religions. Gallup did not break down results according to region, age, income or college education, so it was unclear if the differences among white groups were a function of any of those characteristics.

Given the broad timeline when the poll of Jewish voters was conducted, many of the respondents would have registered their views before the controversy over Obama's former pastor reached a peak in mid-March with the broadcast of some of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's more controversial sermons condemning US policy in the Middle East.

Obama and his staffers have waged an aggressive campaign to roll back concerns over Wright. They also have insisted that other critics of Israeli policy, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Carter administration's national security adviser, and Robert Malley, a Clinton administration Middle East negotiator, had been incorrectly identified in some media reports as the candidate's main advisers.

Obama also was quick to denounce a Los Angeles Times op-ed by a Hamas leader after it came to light that Wright had republished it last summer in his church bulletin. In an e-mail to JTA, Obama called the op-ed "outrageously wrong." The candidate has consistently defended Israel and condemned Hamas terrorists.

In a broader speech last week on Wright's inflammatory rhetoric, Obama singled out Israel as an area where he disagreed with Wright, saying his former pastors' views on the US-Israel relationship were "profoundly distorted."

The freshest controversy, however, may be tougher to douse. The American Spectator, a conservative magazine, uncovered a 2003 interview with U.S. Army Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, currently a co-chairman of the Obama campaign and -- like Obama -- an early and consistent critic of the Iraq war.

In the interview with The Oregonian, McPeak faulted the Bush administration's Iraq policy in part for not being part of a broader Middle East strategy. Asked who is at fault - the White House or the State Department - he answered: "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote - vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."

The fact that Gallup played up the Jewish findings when releasing its surveys this week reflects a common misunderstanding among many political analysts unfamiliar with the Jewish community. Many of these analysts tend to overemphasize the importance of Israel policy.

"Obama's ability to win votes in the US Jewish community has been questioned, given suggestions that he does not support Israel as strongly as other candidates," the release said. "Some of Obama's supporters (including the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of Obama's church) and foreign policy advisers are regarded as anti-Israel. Obama has met with Jewish leaders to reassure them of his commitment to Israel."

Unless Israel is perceived as being imperiled by a candidate's views, it historically has not figured as a make-or-break issue with Jewish voters.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1206446106127&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter



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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 09:09:31 PM »
You have a chorus, Vito? O0

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2008, 09:11:55 PM »
Well, there's one thing there has never been a shortage of and that's self hating Jews.   :(
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In the '80s, there was a big Jewish following for that other black Nazi, Jesse Fagson, too. Nothing ever changes.  ::)

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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2008, 10:24:44 PM »
Horselady, a more right leaning media outlet in Israel is Arutz Sheva -- http://www.arutzsheva.com or www.israelnationalnews.com.

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2008, 10:30:18 PM »
Plenty of sick white folks that still kiss this pigs rear
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2008, 10:42:32 PM »
Horselady, a more right leaning media outlet in Israel is Arutz Sheva -- http://www.arutzsheva.com or www.israelnationalnews.com.

Thanks, I just bookmarked that the other day. Glad to know it's a more fair one.

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2008, 12:11:13 AM »
Doesn't surprise me..Jewish Democrats (wtih very few exceptions) have no brains!
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: UNBELIEVABLE! Obama, Clinton "tied" among Jewish Dems
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2008, 12:15:02 AM »
These are people who suffer from three illnesses.
1)They suffer from white-guilt, but never mind that they didnt do anything.
2)They suffer from hating themselves for being Jewish.
3)They feel studying Torah isnt fashionable enough.