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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2007, 07:46:33 AM »
I think the only comparison between Hitler and Islam is, that both hate Jews and both kill Jews.

Nearly all of you make a misstake!

Some people tell about a "NAZI Koran". Do you know what Nazi mean? Nazi is a short formn of national socialism. This is just a form of economy like capitalism. Hitler just had linked it with hate against jews. Nazi Koran doesn't make sense. I hate to use the word Nazi in German (in english i don't know other words to describe it short) because it sounds like a new tv serie for children. Say Hitler Koran maybe but not nazi koran.

Yeah the Holocaust was only a foult of Hitler; Himler and Goeing; stop white washing the nazism, you soud like defendant at Norumberg trial. Nazis links with islamists:
                                                            
The Muslim/Nazi Connection    
       
"Our Fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world"

-Grand Mufti of Palestine 1930's
Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini       

      
   
      The Grand Mufti and Hitler    
   
      
   Cartoon Protesters in Islamabad, Pakistan with signs reading "god bless Hitler"    
   This is a website about the middle east. Therefore I dont go too much into issues like "the Nazis" or "the holocaust" since those are not middle east issues. However there is a common argument that "Muslims had nothing to do with the holocaust." The purpose of this page is not to bash Muslims or to "create sympathy for Jews", but rather to disprove the common argument that Muslims had nothing to do with the holcaust. During world war 2 there were strong connections between the Muslim governments (as well as some of the Muslim people) and the Nazis. Muslim extremists were strong supporters of Hitler. Most Germans were either brainwashed or scared and thats why so few did anything to fight or oppose Hitler. However many Muslim extremists VOLUNTARILY fought side by side with the Nazis until 1945 when it became clear the Nazis were going to lose the war. Many Soviet Muslims abandoned the red army to fight with Hitler. The Nazis and the Muslim extremists (not all Muslim people by any means) have very common ideologies and common enemies. They both hate Jews, they are both staunchly against communism, and they both wanted the British out of "Palestine". The Grand Mufti of Palestine was a very influential Muslim leader at the time, almost equivilent to the Pope for catholics. The Grand Mufti was one of Hitler's strongest allies and actively recruited Arabs and Muslims across the world for the S.S. So "Palestine" and the Arabs were not innocent for the many atrocities of world war 2.    
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Support for Nazism was not limited to the former Mufti. Here are some quotes from Arab leaders on Hitler, and Nazism:

"We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books . . . . We were the first who thought of [an Arab] translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism," recalled Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of Syria's ruling Ba'ath Party.


Indeed, a popular WWII song was heard in the Middle East featuring words: Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler - in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler. Picking up the theme of the book, posters were put up in Arab markets and elsewhere proclaiming, "In heaven Allah is thy ruler; on earth Adolph Hitler."


John Gunther of Inside Asia reported: "The greatest contemporary Arab hero is probably Hitler."


In October 1933, pro-Axis Young Egypt Party was founded. Styling itself of its German ideal, the new party built a storm-trooper unit, marching with torches under the slogan "One folk, One party, One Leader." Among the members was the young Gamal Abdel Nasser. Nasser's brother, Nassiri, was the translator of Hitler's Mein Kampf into Arabic, describing the Fascist despot in glowing terms.


Another future Egyptian President, Anwar Sadat, was imprisoned during World War II for cooperating with Adolf Hitler's regime. Towards the end of World War II, Sadat wrote to the Fuhrer: "My dear Hitler, I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Even if you appear to have been defeated, in reality you are the victor. You succeeded in creating dissensions between Churchill, the old man, and his allies, the Sons of Satan. Germany will win because her existence is necessary to preserve the world balance. Germany will be reborn in spite of the Western and Eastern powers. There will be no peace unless Germany once again becomes what she was."


A few years prior to writing this letter, Anwar Sadat contacted Muslim Brotherhood's leader Hassan al-Banna, an ardent supporter of Nazi Germany. The meeting put Sadat in contact with Abd al-Munim Adb al-Rauf, who went on to become a leading member of the Free Officers and a chief propagandist and protagonist of the Brotherhood. Both men tried to join the pro-Axis fighters in Iraq, but failed. Sadat also met with Dr. Ibrahim Hasan, the second deputy of Ikhwan. The two gentlemen agreed that "salvation of the country could be assured only by a coup at the hands of the military" because of the King's support for the Allies. On February 24, 1945, the Prime Minister of Egypt was assassinated by a member of the National Party as he was reading the declaration of war against Germany.


source: Nazi roots of Palestinian nationalism    
   Links on the Muslim/Nazi Connection

Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini - excellent link describing the Grand Mufti's efforts in recruiting Muslims from all over the world to fight with the Nazis

Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism
"On November 28, 1941 the former Mufti was officially received by Hitler, who agreed to establish a bureau for al-Husseini which was used to spread propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany, organize spy rings in Europe and the Middle East, and, most importantly, establish Muslim Nazi SS divisions and Wehrmacht units in Bosnia, the Balkans, North Africa and Nazi-occupied parts of the Soviet Union. After the meeting, the  Mufti was also named SS gruppenfuehrer by Heinrich Himmler and referred to as the "Fuhrer of the Arab World" by Hitler himself."

"The Mufti also made a particularly strong effort to recruit Soviet Muslims. "It was largely due to Haj Amin's propaganda that on the arrival of German armies in the northern Caucasus in 1942, five indigene tribes - the Chechens, the Ingushes, the Balkars, the Karachais, and the Kabardines - welcomed them with bread and salt," wrote Joseph Schechtman in The Mufti and the Fuhrer."

"The Mufti`s hatred of the West was matched only by his hatred of the Jews. It is not a coincidence that Germany suddenly abandoned the policy of expelling Jews and adopted far harsher methods a short time after the Mufti arrived in Germany. When Haj Amin came to Germany again, the Nazis decided to execute the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem."

Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection
"Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the 'Islamische Zentralinstitut' and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the 'Führer of the Arabic world.'  "

"On a visit to Auschwitz, [Grand Mufti]  reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home."

"After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hilter regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Arm"

"The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa'ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS � which still receives its orders from Damascus � was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel."

"These leanings never completely ceased. Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs" Wow!

Nazi Germany Shipped Arms to Arabs
A British Foreign Office report from 1939 reports of �news of a consignment of arms from Germany, sent via Turkey and addressed to Ibn Saud (king of Saudi Arabia), but really intended for the Palestine insurgents.� Britain�s chief military officer in Mandatory Palestine also noted reports �regarding import of German arms at intervals for some years now.�

One Nazi agent, Adam Vollhardt, arrived in Palestine in July 1938, and was reported to have gained strong influence with Arab leaders, meeting with Palestinian leaders throughout 1938. Vollhardt held several meetings with leading Arab politicians and told them �that the Palestine question would be settled to the satisfaction of the Arabs within a few weeks,� adding that �it would be fatal to their (Palestinians�) cause if at this juncture they showed any signs of weakness or exhaustion.�

�Germany was interested in the settlement of the (Palestine) question on the basis of the Arabs obtaining their full demands,� Vollhardt was reported to say to Palestinian leaders, according to a report by the British War Office. Vollhardt also assured Arab leaders that �the Germans could continue to support the Palestinian Arab cause by means of propaganda.�

German documents photographed and sent to Whitehall by an American spy revealed that in 1937, German officials had calculated that �Palestine under Arab rule would� become one of the few countries where we could count on a strong sympathy for the new Germany.�

�The Palestinian Arabs show on all levels a great sympathy for the new Germany and its Fuhrer, a sympathy whose value is particularly high as it is based on a purely ideological foundation,� a Nazi official in Palestine wrote in a letter to Berlin in 1937. He added: �Most important for the sympathies which Arabs now feel towards Germany is their admiration for our Fuhrer, especially during the unrests, I often had an opportunity to see how far these sympathies extend. When faced with a dangerous behaviour of an Arab mass, when one said that one was German, this was already generally a free pass.�

A second Nazi agent, Dr. Franz Reichart, was reported to be actively working with Palestinian Arabs by the British Criminal Investigation Division �to help coordinate Arab and German propaganda.� Reichart was also head of the German Telegraphic Agency in Jerusalem.

The Nazi Origins of modern Arab Terror
"The agenda and political faith of Saddam Hussein, Yasir Arafat, Osama bin Laden, Hamas and the rest of the international Islamic terrorists can be traced back to World War II and two key figures, Adolf Hitler and Amin al-Husseini, known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem."

"The Nuremberg and Eichmann trials revealed that Nazi official Adolf Eichmann met with the British-appointed Mufti in Palestine in 1937. Following this meeting, the Mufti would become essentially an agent of Nazi Germany charged with the funding and organizing of pro-Nazi organizations in Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Iraq."

"The Mufti�s activities in Nazi Germany and occupied Europe would set the stage for today�s Islamic terrorism. On April 25, 1941, the Nazis sent the Mufti to Nazi-occupied Bosnia, where he assumed the title 'Protector of Islam.' On Feb. 10, 1943, Hitler ordered the creation of the Nazi SS Division Hanzar and approximately 100,000 Bosnian Muslims volunteered. The Mufti, serving as chief administrator, referred to these Nazi-Muslim brigades as 'the cream of Islam.' �

"Nazi attitudes regarding Islam were perhaps best expressed by Himmler, who is reported to have stated: �I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.�

More on the Muslim/Nazi Connection-
"On the surface there would seem to be little to unite the Aryan racialists of the neo-Nazi movement with the terrorists of radical Islam. To the neo-Nazis, Muslims are almost all members of ``inferior`` races; and to the Islamic terrorists, the neo-Nazis are almost without exception either atheists or members of fringe quasi-Christian sects."

"But the reality is that there has been close cooperation between Muslim extremists and Fascists ever since the founding of the Nazi movement in the 1920`s. For all of their differences, Muslim extremists and Nazis have always been united by a common group of beliefs and goals: hatred of Judaism (and conventional Christianity), hatred of democracy, and a desire for the destruction of Israel and the United States."

"It should be pointed out that National Socialism had a profound impact on the political philosophies of many radical Islamic political organization, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood (founded in Egypt in 1928), Nasser`s Young Egypt movement, the Social Nationalist Party of Syria founded by Anton Sa`ada, and the Ba`ath Party of Iraq. One of the main leaders of the 1941 pro-Nazi coup in Iraq was Khairallah Tulfah, the uncle and guardian of Saddam Hussein. When Saddam failed in his attempt to assassinate the Iraqi leader Abdel Karim Qassim in 1959, he fled to Egypt where he was given protection by Grand Mufti- protégé Nasser and ODESSA-connected former Nazis."

"The rise of Al Qaeda and the explosion of neo-Nazi activity in Germany and elsewhere coincided with the breakup of the USSR in the early 1990`s and the political vacuum created by the absence of the former Soviet behemoth. Neo-Nazis in both Europe and the United States began making overtures to Islamic terrorists and even to Louis Farrakhan`s Nation of Islam movement. The resulting admixture of Nazi and Islamicist ideologies is something that is termed the `'Third Position.' "

"Much of the coordination of neo- Nazi/Muslim terrorist activities is done in the United States. Since overt Nazi activity is outlawed in Germany and many other European countries, neo-Nazis and Islamic extremists have taken advantage of America`s First Amendment protection of almost all political activity. In fact, the headquarters today of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterrpartei is in Lincoln, Nebraska. The Internet and electronic banking make communication and the transfer of funds instantaneous."

An Unholy Alliance-
"Couple of hours up the road from where some September 11 hijackers learned to fly, the new head of Aryan Nation is praising them -- and trying to create an unholy alliance between his white supremacist group and al Qaeda.

[Aryan Nation Leader]: 'You say they're terrorists, I say they're freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our peoples' heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father, who they call Allah.' "

How a mosque for ex-Nazis became the center of Radical Islam-
"The Mosque's history, however, tells a more-tumultuous story. Buried in government and private archives are hundreds of documents that trace the battle to control the Islamic Center of Munich. Never before made public,  the material shows how radical Islam established one of its first and most important beachheads in the West when a group of ex-Nazi soldiers decided to build a mosque."

Blair urged to cancel 'holocaust day' to avoid offending Muslims-
I wonder why the Muslims would feel offended by "holocaust memorial day". They claim its because it doesn't recognize other "genocides" of Muslims across the world. But could it be that they are offended because of their role in the holocaust? In the words of the Grand Mufti, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world"
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
 
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2007, 08:37:05 AM »
national socialism. This is just a form of economy like capitalism.


WHAT ???????????
If you look at the dictionary definitions, nazi, national socialist, means someone who supports their country (national) and who also thinks that everyone should be equal in everyway (socialist), of course the only group of peoplewho have ever applied both of these monkiers to themselves did a great many evil things.

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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2007, 01:46:22 PM »
@ftf:

"If you look at the dictionary definitions": NAZISM IS A VIRUS.

 8;)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2007, 02:28:56 PM »
national socialism. This is just a form of economy like capitalism.


WHAT ???????????
If you look at the dictionary definitions, nazi, national socialist, means someone who supports their country (national) and who also thinks that everyone should be equal in everyway (socialist), of course the only group of peoplewho have ever applied both of these monkiers to themselves did a great many evil things.
The name sounds like nice economic way, but National Socialism that we know is diffrent, well, it's Adolf and his scumbags freinds, and etcetra.
I know what you mean and by the meaning you give to the word I'm national socialist (only that I want damocrocy).
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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2007, 04:23:03 AM »
The Islam will be a bigger problem that the nacis because the Moslems gives over 1 000 000 000. And the Nazic don´t was so radical.

The Islam is a problem.

Wake up europe.

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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2007, 04:43:17 AM »
Nazis were not radicall ??? If the plan of killing all the Jews, Slavs, Gipsies and Disabled in the world is not radical what is radicall? :o Besides nazi muslim unlikly german nazis are retartded we coud defeat them now but our will is too corupted by our sins. Muslims are wratch of G-d to all western nation like Assirians were rod of G-d's anger to ancient kingdom of Israel. 
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2007, 04:00:59 AM »
They're Nazis either way. Any group or religion that calls for the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews is a Nazi!

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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2007, 08:10:00 PM »
They're Nazis either way. Any group or religion that calls for the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews is a Nazi!

I don't agree with that definition, since the Nazi's didn't call for the destruction of Israel, obviously because Israel did not exist at the time, however the Nazi's were working with Zionists during the deportation phase of their anti-Jewish pogroms.  It wasn't until al-Husseini took up residence in Germany at Hitler's pleasure that the Holocaust began. see also "The influence of Islam on the Third Reich"

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Re: Comparisons: Nazism - Islam - Understand Why Chaim Says Nazi Koran!!!
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2008, 12:02:24 AM »
I can't believe we are allowing this Nazi Islam hatred to thrive in our country! Yet, if we say anything critical of Islam, we're dubbed "hate monger" and "Islamophobe" by CAIR and the Muslim Mafia! I think CAIR should get AIDS, seriously!

FYI Mein Kampf, translated into English means My Struggle. And the Arabic word for Struggle is Jihad! There is no doubt that Hitler admired Islam! That's why the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis supported Hitler! HITLER WAS A MUSLIM!

I posted this on my blog, and I urged everyone to do the same.
Me: Muslims get offended too easily.
Muslim: What!?  That is an outrage!  Take that back or I kill you!