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Jews who eat pork.
Khazan:
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on April 01, 2008, 02:39:52 PM ---"BTW she's a wonderful person"
Nothing personal on her, but that is a contradictary statement. If one knowingly goes agains't what G-d said, then they are not a good person, it just cannot be. For example lets say you have a person who smiles and does good deeds to all the people around him, but his wife he treats like garbage, even though she cooks, cleans and takes care of him. She doesn't do anything wrong against him, and is faithful providing whatever he needs, but he just acts like that to his wife, now tell me is that a good person, just because they put a show or are really nice to other people, but are not to those who matter the most and who give him the most? (How much more soo with G-d who provides each individual with everything, every second the heart pumps blood, every second you have air avilable while your alive, etc.
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Oh please...enough with all this idealism. I find it ironic that the holy torah forbids eating probably one of the most tasty of meats, bacon.
I've been to Israel, and if some Jew eating bacon pisses you off, then you'll probably want to stay away from Jerusalem on a Saturday night, at least the bar scene. There was one bar that had a projection screen showing various images of hot naked Israeli ladies. I wasn't in that bar, I saw it from the outside, for any young Chassidic Herschel to see. Being in a bar is a whole other story...this orthodox lady on the trip was making out with some dude in the bar, and one other girl took a lucky lad back to the hotel. As for me, I wasn't innocent either, I probably dirty danced with every broad in the bar.
And you're kvetching about bacon.
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The Torah is Holy, and the Torah is G-ds word, if G-d said we cant eat pig, lobster, shrimp, meat-milk products same time for example cheeseburger. then thats what we Jews must keep.
for you bacon might be the most tasty meat, but i never tried the pig, and lamb is definitely more delicious and and healtier.
whatever G-d says we must keep, even if we might think its Ironic.
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What I'm getting at is that while the Torah is holy, there's also unholy human nature. Have you ever jackeoff Yonatan? Don't beat yourself up if you have, I'm sure even Moshe squeezed a few off in his day too.
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first of all, watch your mouth. second, i never have. and how dare you speak that way about Moshe Rabanu. if you keep continuing your disgusting and your loshon haroh especially on one of the greatest Jews to ever live (Moshe) then get the hell off jtf
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Is it just me, or do I smelll [censored]?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: ash on April 03, 2008, 08:59:26 PM ---Brother I truly love you, but their is no way you can follow all the laws of Mosses or even the TEN COMANDMENTS all the time never to break. Thats not being a loser its just acknowledging that their is only one GOOD That is G-d. "Let G-d be true and all of us liars" and " Be ye holy as I am holy says the LORD." Don't believe in yourself but believe in HIM, and HIM only. Please I mean no offense
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If we want, we can. And even if we are not 100% of our potential which is obvious, why stay at 2% or 5%, if one is 5% make it at least 10. At 10% make it 20, and on and on, but dont give up on yourself, if you want you can with G-d's help. G-d didn't create us to be animals in a higher form, we are humans and even higher- the children of Israel whom He commanded to do this, and dont do that, G-d says, I give you this day a choice between life and death, the good and the bad, and you SHALL choose life.
Having the other philosophical point of view, is really the amalik within. That is the philosphy of amalik- that we are nothing but animals/ robots. But Judasim (G-d), says no, the opposite you have a choice and will be responsible for every action, punished for the bad (looking at the different levels of punishments) and rewarded for the good.
And really the amalik/doubts come from the Rabbis say from eating non-Kosher foods (see the circle how it all comes around). Doing some work on yourself, and conquering along with learning Torah this will clarify and open your mind and show you that you can accomplish what G-d set for you to do.
"You are not required to finish the job, but neither are you free to leave off from it" (Pirkie Avot)
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on April 03, 2008, 10:03:54 PM ---Moses didn't waste seed. He didn't even have relations with his wife because he had to be pure because G-d could speak to him any moment and even seed in marital relations causes tum'a (impurity).
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You are right, but not completly for regular human beings. When one gets to Moshe's level then one can think of this question. But in actuality having kosher relations (Jewish male and Jewish female, after marriage, not during the time of nidda and after she goes into Mikva) can itself be a Tikkun for past misdeeds, and a mitzva when done in holiness.
MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "...He didn't even have relations with his wife because he had to be pure because G-d could speak to him any moment and even seed in marital relations causes tum'a (impurity)..."
Why did Moses marry and take a wife?
I had always thought it was incumbent for Jewish men to take a wife and have children.
I also had always thought that Jewish women had rights to their physical fulfillment within marriage.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on April 03, 2008, 10:20:31 PM ---Re: "...He didn't even have relations with his wife because he had to be pure because G-d could speak to him any moment and even seed in marital relations causes tum'a (impurity)..."
Why did Moses marry and take a wife?
I had always thought it was incumbent for Jewish men to take a wife and have children.
I also had always thought that Jewish women had rights to their physical fulfillment within marriage.
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Yes you are right. Thats why we shouldn't really bring that up too much as an example (althought, Yakov was right in that a man who was on that level how much more soo, didn't commit the other sin) because it gives the false impression that that is the goal, when infact the real goal of Jewish men is to be happily married, and fullfilling the laws of Taharat Mishpach properly.
(and anyway with Moshe, he did marry and have children (2) ).
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