German Nazis in support of Israel or a Left wing trick

[mord]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3551269,00.html 



Is this a Lukas trick to make JTF look bad?




Neo-Nazis for Israel


Experts divided on whether it may just be Left-wing provocation, but German neo-Nazi group declares support for Israel, Jews. 'A strong nation is worthy of life,' says group, 'respect those who have earned it'

Eldad Beck Published:  06.04.08, 12:35 / Israel Jewish Scene 




BERLIN – Shall wolves dwell with lambs? Israel received an unexpected surprise for its 60th birthday in the form of a new group rooting for its prosperity. The twist? They are neo-Nazis.

 

On May 15, the Gregorian date in which the State of Israel was established, a group called National Socialists for Israel launched its online manifest.

 

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"A strong nation is worthy of life; an ailing nation deserves death," it said, before detailing an ideology sporting the traditional Nazi concept of purity of the race on the one hand, and calling on National Socialists to let go of their hatred for Jews and support the Jewish people's right to their own homeland on the other.

 

"Deportations, pogroms and inquisitions were all understandable acts which were carried out by nations merely trying to defend themselves," said the website of past persecution of Jews.

 

"That is also the context in which the event called the 'Holocaust' must be viewed… This does not justify it. Instead of destroying the Jews we should have taken every measure possible to support the Zionist movement."

 

The group goes on to harshly criticize the Nazi regime as the cause of the "unnecessary rivalry" between Germany and its "brethren neighbors," and slams the current leaders of Germany's extreme right as "cowardly reactionaries."

 

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"The Jewish people still exist. Their national movement, supported by brave warriors has been able to form a state and expel foreign elements… For 60 year now, an army of young men and women has defended Israel against all foes," said the site.

 

Further supportive messages called for the Nazi party to "stop spreading anti Semitic lies about a worldwide Jewish plot" and demanded of anti Semites to "show us proof of Jewish domination over Germany and the world."

 

The website also tells of a gathering which took place on May 25 and included panels on solidarity with Israel, anti Semitism, and how to counter "the growing Islamic presence in Germany and around the world."

 

The group's public relations department has begun distributing stickers in Berlin depicting Israeli soldiers carrying the Israeli flag with the slogan - "A 2000-year struggle for survival. Respect those who have earned it."

 

Social experts following Germany's extreme right are skeptical of the new group, with some saying it is the product of a radical Left-wing-led provocation. Others, however, believe it may be a genuine new movement.

 

"There have always been fringe groups within Nazism that have supported a national home for the Jewish people, but the fact that they have a positive attitude towards Israel does not make them any less anti-Semitic," said Anita Kahana, who heads an foundation in Germany working against extreme right-groups.

 

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"Mostly, they are trying to stir an ideological provocation," she added.

 

Ilan Mor of the Israeli Embassy in Berlin was appalled to learn of the story.

 

"We can handle our enemies just fine, but God save us from friends like these," he said, calling the group "absolutely preposterous."

[Ulli]

I think this group doesn't exist.

Social experts following Germany's extreme right are skeptical of the new group, with some saying it is the product of a radical Left-wing-led provocation. Others, however, believe it may be a genuine new movement.

But this is top level propaganda 

[underthesun]

I heard of this group.
I guess they are true, but only a small group.

There are the weirdest kind of people in the world like those gays that fight for the rights of Muslims.

[mord]

I think this group doesn't exist.

Social experts following Germany's extreme right are skeptical of the new group, with some saying it is the product of a radical Left-wing-led provocation. Others, however, believe it may be a genuine new movement.

But this is top level propaganda 

Yes this is propaganda i beleive ,this is propganda way above Lukas's intellect

[mord]

Maybe 2 % of these groups see islam as the real threat

[underthesun]

By the way, there are not so small groups of pro-Israeli Leftists in Germany.
Also the most famous Islamcritics in Germany come from the left.

I'm confused by this. But their help I welcome.

[mord]

By the way, there are not so small groups of pro-Israeli Leftists in Germany.
Also the most famous Islamcritics in Germany come from the left.

I'm confused by this. But their help I welcome.

Really the left in the U.S. all the left is anti Israel,but you have right wing groups that support Israel

[underthesun]

Really the left in the U.S. all the left is anti Israel,but you have right wing groups that support Israel

Real leftwing!

One of this groups calls themselve the "antideusche"  (anti-german).
They want to prevent feelings of nationality in Germany and strongly support Israel.
They detest pacifism. And fight against Nazis of every skin-color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_(communist_current)

That's probably why other Leftists say that the Antideutsche are Nazis:

http://www.nazis.de/inidia/antideutsche.htm


The most famous Islamcritics on the otherhand come from the traditional leftwing.

[Ulli]

Really the left in the U.S. all the left is anti Israel,but you have right wing groups that support Israel

Real leftwing!

One of this groups calls themselve the "antideusche"  (anti-german).
They want to prevent feelings of nationality in Germany and strongly support Israel.
They detest pacifism. And fight against Nazis of every skin-color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_(communist_current)

That's probably why other Leftists say that the Antideutsche are Nazis:

http://www.nazis.de/inidia/antideutsche.htm


The most famous Islamcritics on the otherhand come from the traditional leftwing.

I like Justus Werthmüller of the magazine Bahamas.

But I don't agree with their selfhate, because everybody needs himselve to identify with positive values.

The most people who do things because of selfhate will not keep at it, because it is too self-destructive.

The bibel is the best leader. 

[AussieJTFer]

The germans should hate themselves as their parents and grandparents are the bloodthirsty jackal beasts of recent history.

[mord]

Really the left in the U.S. all the left is anti Israel,but you have right wing groups that support Israel

Real leftwing!

One of this groups calls themselve the "antideusche"  (anti-german).
They want to prevent feelings of nationality in Germany and strongly support Israel.
They detest pacifism. And fight against Nazis of every skin-color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_(communist_current)

That's probably why other Leftists say that the Antideutsche are Nazis:

http://www.nazis.de/inidia/antideutsche.htm


The most famous Islamcritics on the otherhand come from the traditional leftwing.

I like Justus Werthmüller of the magazine Bahamas.

But I don't agree with their selfhate, because everybody needs himselve to identify with positive values.

The most people who do things because of selfhate will not keep at it, because it is too self-destructive.

The bibel is the best leader. 

YES IF GERMANY HAS SELF HATE THE MOSLEMS WILL HAVE AN EASIER CHANCE TO AKE OVER GERMANY,THAT IS NOT GOOD

I FOUND THE NEO NAZI PRO ISRAEL SITE            http://nasofi.blogspot.com/

[Ulli]

The website is definitively a fake -> http://nasofi.blogspot.com/

With the intention to mock Israel and her supporters.

There is a discussion about this on forums of the anti-German movement - some users have information about the fact, that this "NASOFI"-movement is a fake: http://www.adf-berlin.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=4038&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=5


Fake "Nasofi" has printed flyers with the content, that Heinrich Himmler the Nazi massmurderer was a Zionist. 

Even if there would be a movement similar to this, they wouldn't have a professional designed page, different flyers and posters in the beginning. 

[mord]

The website is definitively a fake -> http://nasofi.blogspot.com/

With the intention to mock Israel and her supporters.

There is a discussion about this on forums of the anti-German movement - some users have information about the fact, that this "NASOFI"-movement is a fake: http://www.adf-berlin.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=4038&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=5


Fake "Nasofi" has printed flyers with the content, that Heinrich Himmler the Nazi massmurderer was a Zionist. 

Even if there would be a movement similar to this, they wouldn't have a professional designed page, different flyers and posters in the beginning. 

true it is leftist propganda

[Ulli]

The Nazi-movement thinks this is a fake too:

http://de.altermedia.info/general/nationale-wirrkopfe-oder-fake-160508_14227.html

But some posts in the commentary section are really funny. Like this one:

PA  // May 16, 2008 at 1:41

This is one of the most important excercises of Zionist might:
They try to undercut those, who seems to have even a small chance to become dangerous for the Zionist mafia in a medium-term or in a long term. The stakes are to high for this people - unlimited power, money and influence and the never loosed sight to their socially goal, because of this is paranoia necessary.
Here is tried to bring the Zionist dirt into German-national websites, and when they don't succeed with this in a adequate mode, they created at least as much fog in order to conceal the good ...

[Masha]

Regardless of whether this is fake or not, I strongly disagree with the following sentiment:

"There have always been fringe groups within Nazism that have supported a national home for the Jewish people, but the fact that they have a positive attitude towards Israel does not make them any less anti-Semitic," said Anita Kahana, who heads an foundation in Germany working against extreme right-groups.

Of course, it makes you a lot less antisemitic if you want to deport someone to their historical homeland as opposed to killing them! Give me a break!

The whole horror of pathological judophobia is that these people will be satisfied with nothing else than the extermination of the Jews. It's not about merely not wanting to live with the Jews, about expelling the Jews. It's about the total program of extermination.

Have you noticed that the same people who tell you what a corrupting influence Jews are on the Western countries where they live are the most rabid haters of Israel? I said to one such person once: "Aren't you inconsistent? If you want Jews to leave, wouldn't then it be logical for you to support Israel, to make sure that it is an attractive contry of destination?" "What's the inconsistency?" he asked me, "I don't want Jews in my country, and I don't want them to exist at all. They are the pest of humanity." There is a new "scientific" theory of Kevin McDonald, I think is his name, about Jews employing the evolutionary strategy of the virus intended to destroy the rest of the humanity. If this is not the return to the Nazi biological theories of the Jewish menace, then I don't know what is. If someone merely wants the Jews to depart to Israel but does not want to harm Israel and even supports its fight for survival then this person is not in the same category of murderous antisemites, as far as I am concerned.

[White Israelite]

I don't think this group supports Israel per square inch as most people think they would, I think they deliberately want all Jews in Israel and to stay in Israel so that Israel will be attacked in hopes it will be destroyed. Neo Nazis feel the biggest threat is Jews in their country and that Jews will be parasites to their system, hence they want them out.

Then again, it's hard to say, a lot of Neo Nazis point to Japan as an example of a society with little multicultural influence or interracial mixing.

[Bruicy Kibbutz]

Nazis wouldnt call themselves nazis if they felt bad.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "The germans should hate themselves as their parents and grandparents are the bloodthirsty jackal beasts of recent history."

Rabbi Meir Kahane taught that the Germans prior to the Nazi Reich were far more civilized, and far less violent, than the average American.

[mord]

Re:  "The germans should hate themselves as their parents and grandparents are the bloodthirsty jackal beasts of recent history."

Rabbi Meir Kahane taught that the Germans prior to the Nazi Reich were far more civilized, and far less violent, than the average American.

It's true Americans are capable of great violence

[White Israelite]

The germans should hate themselves as their parents and grandparents are the bloodthirsty jackal beasts of recent history.

Hey now, my moms parents and relatives are German, why should they feel guilty? They are peaceful people and have nothing to do with what Germans have done in the past.

[mord]

The germans should hate themselves as their parents and grandparents are the bloodthirsty jackal beasts of recent history.

Hey now, my moms parents and relatives are German, why should they feel guilty? They are peaceful people and have nothing to do with what Germans have done in the past.

Not Talking about your mom and relatives talking about the leftists tricksters

[underthesun]

Nazis wouldnt call themselves nazis if they felt bad.

If it is one of those groups that I remember, they don't feel bad at all.
Those say that the Jews have changed and are therefore "acceptable" now - in there own state.

They are attracted to the power of the JDF  and offended by the whining of the Arabs.
The firmness of the founding and defense of Israel is for them a model of nationalism.

But by far the most Nazis still want to exterminate the Jews, because Hitler told them too.