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Sarah:


You say that the islamic world hasn't produced a single positive contribution?!!!....Marzutra....haven't you heard about the numerous amount of muslim scientists who have opened up and discovered some amazing scientific aspects? A lot of well known western scientists have just improved and adapted these muslim scientists theories...they don't seem to get much credit in my science text books...but seem to have acheived a far amount.

There is Ibn al-Haitham, a Muslim scholar of optics who first developed the laws of light reflection and invented the pinhole camera in the 11th century.... Or Ibn Nafis, who first recorded observations on pulmonary blood circulation, a theory attributed to William Harvey 300 years later....... How about Abbas ibn Firnas, who made the first attempt of human flight in the 9th century, using adjustable wings covered with feathers..... And how many would know of Zeng He, the Chinese Muslim admiral who used refined technology to construct fleets of massive non-metal ship vessels five centuries ago?

Many are unaware of the extent to which our modern civilisation has been enriched by a series of past great civilisations, which include a largely unacknowledged and untaught Muslim heritage. This heritage has become part of European mainstream culture over the centuries and is manifest, for example, in our treasured architectural icons such as the dome of St Paul’s Cathedral in London, UK, and in the horseshoe arches and gothic ribs of Al-Hambra in Granada, Spain.

Even the way we speak shows the influence of languages from other cultures: many English words used in science, such as alchemy, algorithm, alkali, amalgam and zero, have their roots in the Arabic language and are a small demonstration of the cultural interconnectivity that has enriched Western civilisation over many centuries. The history of astronomy also reveals conspicuous examples of Muslim influences, such as in the naming of stars. Betelgeuse, Rigel, Vega, Aldebaran and Fomalhaut are among the names that are directly Arabic in origin or are Arabic translations of Ptolemy’s Greek descriptions. Other terms, such as azimuth (al-sumut), nadir (nazir), and zenith (al-samt), are also derived from Arabic.
 
Also...the muslim arab world has a beautiful collection of literacy writings! The middle eastern arabs....were famous for their beautiful poetry....though not all i believe were muslims...There may have been a hell of a lot of Jews who won the nobel prize but...a lot of muslims seem to go unnoticed...though maybe it is them who is to blame.

Fruit of thy loins:
White women versus black women.

Which are naturally more 'gifted'?

:)

cjd:
FOTL your getting worse!

Sarah:
in terms of what?
beauty?
intelligence?


You can only judge this generally...it doesn't count for a small minority of a race by saying that e.g. blacks have a below average intelligence....i feel sorry for the blacks with genius intelligence levels..and i'm sure there is at leats one.

MarZutra:
Sorry Sarah, 11th Century, 9th Century....got anything more recent?  The fact that Islam has digressed the entire Arab/Islamic world is totally identified if one wishes to walk down the streets of London, Paris, New York then the streets of any Moslem City.  If you wish to learn history of Civilization and its decline I'd suggest Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West".  Yes the Mohammedian did have good archetecture that is a fact but was it Arabian or the product of Islam?  Was it a product of Persian or Arabian?  Did it have anything whatsoever to do with Islam or was influenced by Arabian thought and decorated with Islamic text?  Was it influenced by earlier cultures Hamite, Egyptian, Persian, Indian, Jewish, Carthaginian, Spartan, Greek, Roman etc.?  I'd argue a bit of all myself... 

From what I can tell, and is my opinin, the Muslims have produced nothing of over all worth compared to their great populations specifically when compared to the Civilized, once Judeo/Christian West.  For every book printed in the Islamic world there thousands printed in the Western World which suggests either a deliberate dumbind down or just a desire by the masses to keep them unknowledged and indoctrinated with hate and lies by their Religious leaders and power hungry marxist political dictators.  The fact that Islam grew through conquest, largely by non-converted Arabs pirates in promise of booty (money, women and articles of wealth), and not "peace" you always seem to overlook.  How many of the early "Muslim" accomplishments where the products of their Christian and Jewish dhimmi whose works became recognized by their Moslem rulers? A good example is the life of Maimonides who was the royal doctor, legal advisor, economist, educator etc. in 12th century Egypt or the numerous Jewish advisors in Finance, Economics, Business, Education etc. in most of the Moslem States from Spain to Persia between the 9th to 19th century.  If Moslems were as good as you say why was there a need at all to have a Jew, and later 17-20th century Christians, in second position to any given Moslem ruler?  I'll even give you a specific ref.  Bernard Lewis - "Islam in History", "The Jews of Islam" "The Middle East", "The Crisis of Islam", "Arabs in History", "The Muslim Discovery of Europe", "The Jewish Khazars"- Dunlop, "A History of the Jews and/or Christianity"- Paul Johnson or even better "The Dhimmi"- Baat yeor. 

Now every peoples in every faith like to glorify or excentuate ones own accomplishments.  That is true of then and today.  If you watch AlJazeera or any Moslem media, the Moslems are always blaming others for their own misfortunes especially The Jews, Israel, America, the kufar/Infidel and the country whose infidel citizens you reside today (which your brethren protest to bomb and Islamitize).  If you love Islam so much why do you not ask your parents to sell all their assets and return to any of the dozens of Islamic States?  Knowing that Islam itself demands Islamic Law World Wide and the millions of Moslems emmigrating from the Islamic World to the Dar Al Harb suggest to me two things: A. The Islamic World is a deprave vile place lacking freedom, peace and true civilized ethical morality (which is the product of Judaism).  B. The Moslems themselves are blinded to the realities today by living a double life of deceit, racist arrogance and true ignorance in "progressing" Islamic precepts within their 1400 year War against Dar Al Harb.  I love culture especially when it is within its own Dar al Islam environment...  This why I feel Kahane was spot on in his book "They Must Go." in that Hindu, Islam, Buddhist, Gnostic, Confucism and even Communism/Socialism has really nothing whatsoever in agreement to, compatable with nor contributary to the Judeo/Christian World.  Multi-culturalism/Diversity and all that rubbish are Socialist shams which support Kahane's brilliant thesis.

When all is said and done the world will blame the Jew.....but thank G-d they will work through the Moslems, non-righteous Blacks and G-d wiling Communists first before the righteous Jews.  What are your thoughts about peoples like Brigite Gabriel, Walid Shoebat or Joseph Farrah or Marxists like Edward Said, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Saddam Hussein and Yassir Arafat? What are your comments on the deeds and faith practiced by your brethren depicted in mass on Www.MEMRI.Org?  Even if 10 percent of the Islamic World are "extremists" (or true Moslems) that represents a major problem for everyone else which I see you and all your "true Muslim" brethren doing very minimal, next to nothing about and quite possibly even assisting the imperialistic intentions of Islam itself via the "extremists" through your organizations like CAIR.  Care to comment? 

Winston Churchill's quote about Socialism can also be directly applied to Islam: "Socialism (Islam) is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." 

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