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I hate to belabour the point, but as kahane said, there is no such thing as an american jew, or a russian jew, e.t.c.  There is a jew living in america, russia, e.t.c.

shimon:

--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 15, 2008, 10:45:42 PM ---I hate to belabour the point, but as kahane said, there is no such thing as an american jew, or a russian jew, e.t.c.  There is a jew living in america, russia, e.t.c.



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i get what your saying but in a way its different. Because there can be no such thing as an American jew since most jews came around hundred years ago. But in countries like Iran(Persia) or Iraq(Babylon) jews have been living there for millenia so i think its fair to call them Persian or Babylonian Jews

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: shimon on June 15, 2008, 10:49:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 15, 2008, 10:45:42 PM ---I hate to belabour the point, but as kahane said, there is no such thing as an american jew, or a russian jew, e.t.c.  There is a jew living in america, russia, e.t.c.



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i get what your saying but in a way its different. Because there can be no such thing as an American jew since most jews came around hundred years ago. But in countries like Iran(Persia) or Iraq(Babylon) jews have been living there for millenia so i think its fair to call them Persian or Babylonian Jews

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 We are all technically Israeli's or Israelites, BUT we cannot deny that the different places we have been living in and the experiences we have gone through greatly shapes our personalities, mentalities, and outlook in life. For Bukharians people are asked about which city they come from (the family when they used to live in Uzbekistan, and their grandparents etc.) because it is a fact that it all affect the children, and their mentality.

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Yonathan Ben Yakov on June 15, 2008, 10:58:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 15, 2008, 10:45:42 PM ---I hate to belabour the point, but as kahane said, there is no such thing as an american jew, or a russian jew, e.t.c.  There is a jew living in america, russia, e.t.c.



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it is very true i tell all my friends we Jews are Jews were not German Jews or Russian Jews we are simply Jews.

i personally hate being called a Russian or Kavkazi or Bukharin Jew. i tell people so if your a Jew from an Arab country what that makes an Arab-Jew or if your from Germany what are you a Nazi-Jew (the word Nazi in Russian is the same as German)

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 You see- that this statement clearly shows a personality from you because of your family (I dont mean it in a bad way, but pointing out that your situation brings out the mentality). Because you came from parents from somewhat different locations, you say (and believe) in something like that. The same thing was also said from Yakov Menashe because he is in the similar situation (dont get me wrong I am not impying anything negative, but just pointing out that family, and the way it is set up, influences mentality).

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Yonathan Ben Yakov on June 15, 2008, 11:01:16 PM ---the only way we split is by the 12 Tribes but even when we were the 12 Tribes it wasn't as it is now

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 Not only, but each family was splitt up. And not only that, but when we were in Eretz Yisrael, each lott was divided up by families, so expecialy after Yovel, everyone lived right next to people closly related to them- meaning that the closer one was in territory wise, the closer one was to their family wise (going by men). People lived by their family, unless they sold their land (which also only wa sup to Yovel, and not more).

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