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Breakdown of the Halakhic System - Two Earth-Shattering Shiurim - Exclusive
Lubab:
And we are not talking about relatavism here: We are talking about this:
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See the diagram. You must be able to see two sides and then see the "third" view which unites them both. This is a higher way of looking at the world than both relatavism and strict conservatism. It sees both philosophies as being expressions of the same Truth.
As far as whether Keturah and Hagar could be the same woman is you look deeper into the topic and study it further you WILL find that both opinions on that matter can be correct. I have not studied the hasidic philosophy on that particular topic but I can if you would like and get back to you and show you how neither opinion is really wrong.
But don't take the lazy way out. Study deeper before you reject one side.
Lubab:
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--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 02:19:16 AM ---The folly in this Rabbis perspective
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which rabbi? which perspective?
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 02:19:16 AM ---is nicely demonstrated when he is quoted from the softmore at YC.
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no idea what you are referring to.
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I'm talking about the Rabbi who gave the shiur advertized on this thread.
Lubab:
I'm not blowing things out of proportion when I compare all Talmudic debate to Hillel and Shammai. Every Rabbi of the Talmud derived their views from one school of thought or the other.
judeanoncapta:
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--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 29, 2008, 02:36:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 02:19:16 AM ---The folly in this Rabbis perspective
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which rabbi? which perspective?
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 02:19:16 AM ---is nicely demonstrated when he is quoted from the softmore at YC.
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no idea what you are referring to.
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I'm talking about the Rabbi who gave the shiur advertized on this thread.
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It's ironic, Lubab, that in trying to disprove Rav Bar Hayim you end up showing us how correct he is. You are precisely what he is talking about. You are Post-Modern in your outlook towards Torah. You beleive that all opinions are equally correct and are just "true" or "false" in it's social context and time period.
You refer to Rav Bar Hayim's "folly". But if it is a folly, it is a folly shared by Maimonides, Nachmanides, the Maharshal, the Rif, the Baal HaMaor and pretty much every Rabbi that lived up until the time of the Beth Yosef. He is in good company.
I do find it ironic that you describe the classic way of studying Torah employed by all Tanaaim, Amoraim, Geonim and Rishonim as folly, while lauding your own Post-Modern view as correct and true.
It is precisely because many people think like you that they end up taking on a thousand foolish and unnecessary Humroth and because disillusioned with Judaism as a result. Since they think like you and cannot say that any opinion is incorrect, they just end up taking the stricter opinion in EVERY SINGLE Halakhic issue.
Then they twist themselves into a pretzel trying to be "Yoitzeh" all the views and make themselves miserable at the same time. Your view of Halakha, Lubab, which is unfortunately shared by many, is incorrect and leads to terrible results.
Think about the average Baal Teshuva having to endure a Chabad-style Pesah and you will see what I mean.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: lulab ---I'm talking about the Rabbi who gave the shiur advertized on this thread.
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The discussion before, was about the 3 oaths and centered around some other shiurim.. (as I mentioned in an early post in the thread, as a footnote).
But the shiurim judea posted in this thread were a discussion about how when studying in yeshiva, you are taught to follow all the discussion in the gemara.
Then when studying at a higher level, for example to be a rabbi, you are told to just accept the positions of various poskim, and you are not taught how they get from the gemara to those halachic positions. So people debate positions in gemara, but not positions amongst poskim.
That would be a summary of the 2 shiurim judea mentioned in this thread.
from rabbi bar hayyim.
His point was a problem with the way studying halacha - from the poskim, is done at yeshivot
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