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Breakdown of the Halakhic System - Two Earth-Shattering Shiurim - Exclusive
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 04:40:49 PM ---I'd appreciate it if people don't go further with this until reading my post carefully at the top of the thread because I don't want to go in circles all day.
I've read you posts with care and I hope you will give me the same respect.
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I am of course reading your post with care, but I was asked a specific question by qq so I responded. I am not so much weighing in on this controversy, only responding to your use of the 3 types of students, which I think may have been mistaken or not applicable in this discussion.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 29, 2008, 04:42:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 04:40:49 PM ---I'd appreciate it if people don't go further with this until reading my post carefully at the top of the thread because I don't want to go in circles all day.
I've read you posts with care and I hope you will give me the same respect.
--- End quote ---
I am of course reading your post with care, but I was asked a specific question by qq so I responded. I am not so much weighing in on this controversy, only responding to your use of the 3 types of students, which I think may have been mistaken or not applicable in this discussion.
--- End quote ---
No problem. I wasn't even really addressing your post I just wanted to say that when I saw such a quick reply. The Rambam with the three groups is talking about a certain specific machloket and it may not prove my more global point which is why I did not rely on it in the post above.
q_q_:
lulab, you mention another source, the shulchan aruch.
for the idea that rishonim and all these rabbis wrote with ruach hakodesh and so all they wrote is true.
this is important, if you can find a reference that would be very useful.
note- I have read this view in an artascroll autobiography of the chazon ish. He also thought all the rishonim wrote with ruach hakodesh. And he i guess tried reconciling them. This view is certainly very common. So chabad is not alone here
But still, a source from the shulchan aruch would be very good..
Because that is widely accepted.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 04:28:33 PM --- I don't think anyone would really have the gaul to argue today that they know more about halacha and the nature of machlokes than the Alter Rebbe.
I would be amused to see someone make such a claim but I doubt you'd have the guts. It would be the ultimate display of arrogance and ignorance all wrapped into one.
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The Rambam clearly states:
So too, if one of the Geonim understood that the correct way of the Law was such and such, and it became clear to another court afterwards that this was not the correct way of the Law written in the Talmud, the earlier court is not to be obeyed, but rather what seems more correct, whether earlier or later.
Inherent in that statement is the idea that a later authority can be more correct than an earlier authority. Obviously it is possible that someone today can know more about the nature of machlokes than Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi. Or Rashi or even the Rambam. Or any earlier authority. I think that Rav Bar Hayim explanation of certain sugyoth in the Talmudh make more sense than the Rambam's and therefore according to the Rambam's own words, we should follow Rav Bar Hayim. Certain sugyoth in the Talmudh make more sense according to the Netziv than according to Rashi. Therefore we should follow the Netziv.I think that certain things written by the Chabad Rebbes on Halakhic issues make less sense than other authorities, therefore you must follow the other authorities.
Your ignorance and arrogance comment is ludicrous in light of the rambam's haqdama.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on June 29, 2008, 04:49:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 29, 2008, 04:28:33 PM --- I don't think anyone would really have the gaul to argue today that they know more about halacha and the nature of machlokes than the Alter Rebbe.
I would be amused to see someone make such a claim but I doubt you'd have the guts. It would be the ultimate display of arrogance and ignorance all wrapped into one.
--- End quote ---
The Rambam clearly states:
So too, if one of the Geonim understood that the correct way of the Law was such and such, and it became clear to another court afterwards that this was not the correct way of the Law written in the Talmud, the earlier court is not to be obeyed, but rather what seems more correct, whether earlier or later.
Inherent in that statement is the idea that a later authority can be more correct than an earlier authority. Obviously it is possible that someone today can know more about the nature of machlokes than Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi. Or Rashi or even the Rambam. Or any earlier authority. I think that Rav Bar Hayim explanation of certain sugyoth in the Talmudh make more sense than the Rambam's and therefore according to the Rambam's own words, we should follow Rav Bar Hayim. Certain sugyoth in the Talmudh make more sense according to the Netziv than according to Rashi. Therefore we should follow the Netziv.I think that certain things written by the Chabad Rebbes on Halakhic issues make less sense than other authorities, therefore you must follow the other authorities.
Your ignorance and arrogance comment is ludicrous in light of the rambam's haqdama.
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You didn't read my posts fully. I addressed that statement. I don't believe every Rabbi's statement is true. Just the the sages from the Shach and Taz and prior which is completely consistent with this statement of the Rambam which is a guide for what to do in the future until today when many Rabbis have said many things that are downright wrong.
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