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Offline EagleEye

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2007, 08:35:33 PM »
Certain people are searching for alternatives and willing to look for anything as the condition of the 1st world countries are deteriorating.

The republicans and democrats don't give people a proper outlet against multicuturalism so they may turn to "hate groups" instead.

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2007, 01:17:10 AM »
Speaking as a Christian I believe that G-d can completely forgive the worst of monsters IF THEY GENUINELY REPENT AND ARE TRULY REMORSEFUL. I think this is extremely rare, however. Deathbed repentances are obviously a shallow means to try to save one's butt.

Furthermore, even if one does repent and is forgiven before G-d, justice on earth MUST stand. They all need to be put to death for what they did.

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2007, 01:29:01 AM »
Well, I'm writing this to see what you're oppinions are on ex-nazi's. I have a friend of mine who was a nazi for about a year ago, but had an epiphany and has begun to take anti-fascist action. He was more or less tricked into nazism when he had a tough period in his life. And he is now seeking forgivness by acting righteous and fighting those he once tried to fit in with.

Myself I'm anti-fascist and believe in liberalism (yes, I know you're oppinions on liberalism...). But it would be nice to see what you think about it. Should I accept that he has sought forgivness and is acting as good as he possibly can to make up for what he has done? He does everything possible for repentance, and is extremely ashamed of his choise to join a fascist group. He is also religious and is afraid that G-d wont forgive him for what he has done.

I will show him this topic.

Do you people think that I should continue to be friend with him, or is he an enemy even though striving to do right and is fighting for Israel and the jewish people?

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What do you mean by him being a nazi? Did he call himself a nazi or he did something that could be classified as nazism?
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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 01:39:22 AM »
I've heard of an ex-KKK who converted and is now a Rabbi! Of course a former member of a nazi group can repent. There are lots of people on the right who've had brief flirtations with nazism until they woke up. Forgiveness for sins is another matter, but there is no reason why an ex-nazi/skin-head or similar can't join our cause if he now has a love of Jewery.

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2007, 02:09:58 AM »
[...] but there is no reason why an ex-nazi/skin-head or similar can't join our cause if he now has a love of Jewery.

hahaahaha i laughed for 10 minutes until I realized it said Jewery and not Jewelry

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2007, 07:34:49 AM »
Myself I'm anti-fascist and believe in liberalism (yes, I know you're oppinions on liberalism...).

My personal opinion on liberalism? (Probably does not coincide with this board's). Liberalism is fine in very specific (and probably very short-lived) historical circumtances. When you have a society in a stable political situation with flourishing economy and (this is essential!) with a very conscientious, hard-working and highly moral populace, then yes - you can afford some degree of liberal attitudes. Liberal attitudes are not compatible, however, with a secular society, because they quickly lead to the degeneration of morals and chaos.

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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2007, 07:40:26 AM »
The difference between Democracy and Dictatorship

Dictators will tell you what to do and you know you can't do [censored] about it

Democratic leaders will guide you and give you a false hope of options when in fact he is the real dictator.

Dictators: Honest [censored] you hate
Democratic Leaders:[censored] you think you like until you find out their agenda
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Re: Ex-nazi - can you be forgiven?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2007, 08:54:23 PM »
I personally think that labeling someone a "Nazi" because they were a member of an anti-immigrant far-right group is a misnomer. Unless he actually subscribed to Hitlerite National Socialism, self-identified as a neo-Nazi and agreed with Hitler's policies I don't think it's warranted, and using the term to label what are basically pissed-off White guys dilutes the meaning of the term. The real Nazis were a group of scum who murdered millions of people. Throwing the label around willy-nilly trivializes this fact and leads to a "boy crying wolf" phenomenon. If he didn't commit any acts of violence or vandalism against Jews or immigrants, never denied the Holocaust and left because he didn't like the anti-Semitism then what is he apologizing for? Having some controversial (and wrong) opinions that he later decided were stupid and gave up? Well who hasn't? If he was an active anti-Semite who spread anti-Jewish propaganda then it's not my place to say whether he should be forgiven or not. If not, take him out for a beer and tell him to forget about it. People make too much of a big deal about stuff like this and the "healing" and "reconciliation" process, to "bring closure". I feel like I'm on an episode of Dr Phil.