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Cato:
Interesting discussion.
Personally I couldn't care one jot whether Indians are Christians or Hindus, it's their business not mine, and unlike our Muslim friends they have no designs whatsoever on my life style.
However, the viciousness of the Indian caste system was the equal of anything imposed by the British, and was the reason why they fitted so well into S. Africa as an administrative class, imported from India into the sugar plantations of Natal, to be positioned between the British and the blacks. It is also the reason why in later years they were for the most part content enough under Apartheid. It is also a fact that the most serious of racial feelings in Africa have traditionally been not between whites and blacks, but between Indians and blacks.
Let's not generalise about the British. The British Empire, despite being the largest the world has ever known, and second only to the Roman Empire in terms of developing and spreading European culture, was in fact run by only about 30 upper-class families. I can confidently state that my UK ancestors in the first half of the 1800's probably included six-year old child labourers working night and day down mines, deep underground from where I am sitting in comfort writing this, while shackled by their shoulders to coal trucks. They never exploited anyone.
There is a lesson here also for our poor exploited black brethren, with their absurd claims for compensation for slavery. They also should learn a little history, preferably in simple terms so they can understand.
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on April 28, 2009, 01:56:29 PM ---Ok so you have to understand here Rubystars, that the RCC works round the clock to promote Christianity in India. People who have blood on their own hands cannot preach the gospel.
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I think that you have a point that the way they go about doing things is wrong. If what you say is true about coercive methods and such (and I believe you because you're there and I'm not) then I think that they should stop doing it that way.
I don't think it's loving or kind to anyone to try to trick people into changing their religion or to hurt people in any way if they decide not to. Each person's religion is something that they should choose freely and without coercion.
--- Quote ---I would accept a Christian body in India on two conditions, First i want them to fix their own nations, then they can come here.
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I want that more than you know.
--- Quote ---What is wrong in this statement of mine? I only want those missionaries to concentrate their energies more on saving those nations which require its help the most. Secondly they should not call out destruction of Temples in India.
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I agree with you that they shouldn't destroy temples in India. They should follow their own religion and not hurt people who choose to follow a different one. Of course I believe they should share the gospel with them but if they reject it then that should be the end of the discussion.
--- Quote ---Infact BJP have had a Catholic Politician in their ministry, look for "George Fernandes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fernandes
He was a Defence Minister of India under the ruling coalition of BJP.
There are many Christians in India who like BJP, but due to Socialist political party - Islamic propaganda, the numbers maybe be falling.
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I've got to give you a lot of credit HZ. Any time I've agitated a Muslim this much, they've pulled out the death threats, but you're still being gentlemanly and speaking in an intelligent way. So I think that you at least are much better than a Muslim. I'm worry about some of the fanatics though.
Rubystars:
Carreg during the Industrial revolution I think conditions for the poor were especially horrible and definitely were comparable to slavery in severity. On the other hand the Industrial revolution eventually led to the conveniences of modern life. Maybe that was an example of God taking something bad and turning it around for good in the end.
✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ:
They cannot share the gospel and at the same time support a socialist government which is against the biblical land of Israel. It is just insane.
About Hindu nationalists being fanatic, well you say that India should become a Christian Nation, which tells me you want all Hindus,Buddhists,Sikhs,Parsis,jains to convert to Christianity...as you think we all are immoral and savages. So who is being fanatic?
Again, the theory of India must become a Christian nation, is completely flawed. There is not one christian denomination in India which can prove its worth. what RCC does is opposed by Protestants and what Protestants do is brushed aside by followers of RCC. Anyways, hasnt Jesus himself told his disciples "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division."
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on April 30, 2009, 01:17:16 PM ---They cannot share the gospel and at the same time support a socialist government which is against the biblical land of Israel. It is just insane.
About Hindu nationalists being fanatic, well you say that India should become a Christian Nation, which tells me you want all Hindus,Buddhists,Sikhs,Parsis,jains to convert to Christianity...as you think we all are immoral and savages. So who is being fanatic?
Again, the theory of India must become a Christian nation, is completely flawed. There is not one christian denomination in India which can prove its worth. what RCC does is opposed by Protestants and what Protestants do is brushed aside by followers of RCC. Anyways, hasnt Jesus himself told his disciples "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division."
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Jesus knew that his ideas were radical, and that Christians would be hated and persecuted.
From what you tell me about Christians in India the whole thing seems really messed up and not a lot like the Christianity I know.
Here's the thing, to me, I think Hinduism is a false religion, so I can't really be expected to support a Hindu India.
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