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Interview with Richard Armitage Russia-Georgia conflict
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
There is no comparison between the Serbs and the Ossetians. One is a holy and sacred Christian nation that is under genocidal attack by all of the powers of the world combined. The other is a group of Marxist separatists who are being aided and abetted by an evil empire. The true analogy is between the GEORGIANS and the Serbs. The country that you support did absolutely nothing when NATO was committing genocide against Serbia in 1999 and nothing this spring when the bastard Nazi state of "Kosova" declared independence. Russia is helping the Iranian, Syrian, and Lebanese Muslim Nazis, who in turn help the Bosnians and Albanians in Europe. Wake up Serbs. Russia will never save you and does not care about you, and it is Serb reliance on Russia that has caused her so much harm in the past couple decades.
PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?
DALMACIJA:
--- Quote from: C.F. on August 22, 2008, 03:45:55 PM ---There is no comparison between the Serbs and the Ossetians. One is a holy and sacred Christian nation that is under genocidal attack by all of the powers of the world combined. The other is a group of Marxist separatists who are being aided and abetted by an evil empire.
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Orthodox nations can not be Marxist anymore, not after all what has happened.
Marxism has it’s roots coming from the West and that evil red and undemocratic politic has no place on Orthodox soil anymore. To many Serbs and Russians have died because of communism and thank Heaven that that evil is gone.
This does not matter for you. Why are you concerned about Georgia?
If Kosovo Albanians can have their own sovereignty in Kosovo, why can not Russians have their own in Georgia? Why is America "worried" about the territorial integrity of Georgia? Like America supports the territorial integrity of other nations? Who is America to always accuse others? Are they the world's officers?
--- Quote from: C.F. on August 22, 2008, 03:45:55 PM ---The country that you support did absolutely nothing when NATO was committing genocide against Serbia in 1999 and nothing this spring when the bastard Nazi state of "Kosova" declared independence.
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Thats true and it is a shame. Maybe they should helped us.
But Russia could not start WW3 only because of Milosevic's politic. It is a difficult question. Russia is not recognizing the false state of Kosovo and they did not participate in the Western genocide over the Serbs in 1999.
You are proving my right, the enemy is the West and not Russia.
--- Quote from: C.F. on August 22, 2008, 03:45:55 PM ---Russia is helping the Iranian, Syrian, and Lebanese Muslim Nazis, who in turn help the Bosnians and Albanians in Europe. Wake up Serbs. Russia will never save you and does not care about you, and it is Serb reliance on Russia that has caused her so much harm in the past couple decades.
PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?
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Russia is also against the US who has organized the militant Moslims, all over the world, in the 90s and supported them to fight (alongside with the Croat-Muslim coallition) in Bosnia & Hercegovina against the Orthodox Serbs. The US supplied weapons to militant Moslims in the 80s and prepared and organized them to fight the Soviets. The US is more connected with militant Moslims than the Russian federation.
--- Quote from: C.F. on August 22, 2008, 03:45:55 PM ---PS: The Georgians are Orthodox too. How do you explain that?
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The US enjoys seeing Orthodox people fighting each others.
If the Russians were attacking an unorthodox nation than it would be different.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
I am concerned for Georgia for the same reason that I am concerned about Serbia: it is a tiny, forgotten nation under genocidal attack. And it's an Orthodox nation also. What determines what Orthodox nations you support? It's not fair to say that just because the West supports Georgia (which as recent events show is all lip service, just like Russia's support for the Serbs in 1999), then Georgia is automatically the bad guy.
The Ossetians and the Russians who are helping them are STILL Marxists. The Ossetians are pro-Russian because they want economic aid (i.e. USSR socialism) and the privileges of Russian citizenship. There is nothing historical or ethnic about it. They aren't Muslims, but right now they are acting a lot like Muslims. Good Orthodox Christians don't take up arms and commit atrocities against fellow Orthodox.
Putin used to run the KGB and he is in the process of rebuilding the old USSR as we speak. Wake up. Russia STILL has nationalized industry, nationalized healthcare, central planning, and absolute dictatorial control. That sounds an awful lot like Soviet communism to me. As a citizen who cares about freedom and the right of small countries (like Israel, Serbia, Sri Lanka, and Georgia to exist, not just an American, I must oppose the savage ethnic cleansing that Russia is doing.
Chaimfan
PS: Yeltsin did not need to start WWIII to save Serbia. Just the presence of a couple of VVS fighters would have sent a message to the coward Clinton and NATO. Clinton was not like Putin is now; he would have backed down. The fact that he cared more about being in the good graces of the United States and Western Europe than saving his ethnic and religious brothers shows the kind of character that Russia has.
DALMACIJA:
--- Quote from: C.F. on August 22, 2008, 05:53:55 PM ---I am concerned for Georgia for the same reason that I am concerned about Serbia: it is a tiny, forgotten nation under genocidal attack. And it's an Orthodox nation also.
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I think that you are more concerned about the international strategic possition of the US than about Georgia. Lets face it the Americans are concerned about their (cowboy) role in the world. But I can understand your pro American statement because you live in the USA and you are a loyal citizen of America. You want that America stays the strongest power of the world and that's why you are against Russia and China. I think that the control over the world must be balanced between the West (where you belong) and the East (where we Serbs belong). I am against the imperialism of America and the domination of Vatican's Europe. Your nation (America) has not right to exploit others.
Why the Serbs support Russia.
Look you maybe live in America but you are Jew not a protestant American.
In 1982, for the first time in history, the Pope attended the establishment of alliance with Protestant America: he created the Rome – Washington pact. Since that moment it was clear the America will support the Vatican and their plan to dominate with Europe. Pay attention to the fact that the US was in war with Vatican's Europe during WW1 and WW2. Instructed by the Vatican America started to attack, for the first time in history, the Serbs in 1991-1995 and in 1999. In the past the US was most times on the side of the Serbs. Everything had changed since1991/1992. Since the collapse of Yugoslavia, which was carried out by the US and EU, America became Serbia's enemy number one. You know good what America has done to the Serbs during the 20th century.
Today the EU & US have the same attitude towards the Serbs as Nazi Germany had - in 1941.
Our place in not among America or the West. Because there are our enemies located.
Serbs should join the side of Russia and China, because these two nations are not damaging us. Nobody can say that Russia or China has the same attitude gainst Serbia like the US.
My questions to you:
- Why do not you condemn the NATO expansion towards the East and Russia, like you condemn the NATO occupation of Serbia? Think about the US missile system near Russia?
- Why do not you condemn the US/ Georgian ethnic cleansing over the Russian in Georgia, like you condemn the US/ Croatian ethnic cleansing against the Krajina Serbs -conducted in 1995?
- Why do you Americans hate Russia? You hated Communist Russia in the past?
But why hate towards today's Orthodox/ democratic Russia?
- If Kosovo Albanias have the right for their own sovereinty, why can not Russians in Ossetia have their own?
RationalThought110:
I understand that you dislike NATO. However, just because Russia dislikes NATO doesn't mean that you should enthusiastically be supporting Russia.
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