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muman613:

--- Quote from: 112 on March 25, 2013, 03:53:49 PM ---If stiff necked means they don't turn easily, why was it so easy to make Jews worship other G-ds?

What is the extent of being indebted to someone? If someone saved your life, for example, what do you really owe him or what does he deserved, or if a group or person helped your family, and they may have done other things that are immoral, what is the extent to which you must support them, or give them? This is assuming of course that whatever help was given, nothing was asked in return in exchange for. What is the moral action to take when you are so helped?

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Shalom 112,

Stiff-Necked also means that they will not listen to the rebuke of the prophets. As I said the sages consider it both a compliment and a liability (double-edged sword).

Regarding being Grateful for what others have done for you. It is important for a Jew to always have Hakores HaTov (Acknowledging the good) toward anyone who does good for you. This even includes those who are not of the highest moral standing. I believe this comes from the lesson learned from Moses father-in-law Yitro, who showed kindness to Moses when he saw that Moses saved his daughters. Because of Yitros kindness he merited to hear about the signs and wonders Hashem brought to Egypt and the parting of the sea, and moved him to put down all his idolatry and acknowledge the singular oneness of Hashem.

The Jewish people are commanded to not hold a grudge against the ancient Egyptians and to remember that we were strangers in their land, and they provided a place for us to live, even though they oppressed us. We were permitted to marry Egyptian women after a number of generations.

If you would like to discuss it further we can...

muman613

Zelhar:

--- Quote from: 112 on April 04, 2013, 03:31:31 PM ---Then I must show my gratitude to the Bronfman family.

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For what ?

Zelhar:
Hello Muman,

Are you a coffee lover ? Do you know if Luwak Coffee is kosher?

muman613:

--- Quote from: Zelhar on April 08, 2013, 12:04:52 PM ---Hello Muman,

Are you a coffee lover ? Do you know if Luwak Coffee is kosher?

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Shalom Zelhar,

I am sorry but I know nothing about coffee. It is one beverage I never developed a taste for.

I can check if it is on the list of Kosher coffees...

Apparently I found a reference to this coffee which is made from beans which have been partially digested by the Luwak, a marsupial which lives on the plains of Java, but I cannot find a definitive answer as to whether it is Kosher...

http://mk.ca/pdf/38e.pdf

See also http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2010/07/of-civets-and-dinosaurs-miscellaneous.html

Zelhar:

--- Quote from: muman613 on April 08, 2013, 07:54:13 PM ---Shalom Zelhar,

I am sorry but I know nothing about coffee. It is one beverage I never developed a taste for.

I can check if it is on the list of Kosher coffees...

Apparently I found a reference to this coffee which is made from beans which have been partially digested by the Luwak, a marsupial which lives on the plains of Java, but I cannot find a definitive answer as to whether it is Kosher...

http://mk.ca/pdf/38e.pdf

See also http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2010/07/of-civets-and-dinosaurs-miscellaneous.html

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Thanks Muman. It was really more of a thought experiment for me, because there is 0% chance I would ever taste Luwak Coffee- due to it coming from muslim Indonesia, and due to it coming out of the bowels of a marsupial (I am not sure in what order of precedence).

I think there are a few other Coffee brands who are supposed to be semi digested beans from some other animal, ie "black ivory" which comes out the bowels of Thai elephants.

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