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Binyamin Yisrael:

--- Quote from: PyramidHeadFan on May 17, 2013, 09:54:21 AM ---How tolerant is Kazakhstan is towards non-Muslims as opposed to other Muslim countries?
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You could ask Chaim.

muman613:
I found there is a Chabad in Kazakhstan:

http://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/country/Kazakhstan/jewish/Chabad-Lubavitch.htm

http://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/249353/jewish/Jewish-Community-of-Almaty.htm

http://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/249356/jewish/Jewish-Community-of-Karaganda.htm

http://www.koshertravelinfo.com/forum/showthread.php?p=276&langid=2

Apparently a long time ago the previous Chabad Rebbe was exiled to Kazakhastan :

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/541734/jewish/Children-Be-Strong.htm

--- Quote ---Children, Be Strong!
1944
In 1939, the Rebbe’s father was exiled by the Soviet government to a remote region of Kazakhstan. At the end of his sentence, he and his wife traveled to the closest large city, Almaty, Kazakhstan. Leibel Raskin and his family were there to greet and assist them upon their arrival.
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Sveta:
Hello, Muman.

Do you know of where I can get information (deep insightful information) about why Timna was turned away by Abraham Avinu, Isaac, and Jacob.
I know the story, she was turned away three times and because she did not want to belong to any other nation, married Esau's son and gave birth to Amalek.

People explain that this is complete proof that a convert should not be turned away. (Mainly by charlatans like asher meza). But I think there is a much deeper meaning to the story.
First, I know that nothing in the world happens without the approval of Hashem- good or bad. Timna's rejection may have meant that she simply did NOT belong to the nation, no matter how much she wanted to. Maybe her soul was just not meant to be amongst the children of Avraham, Isaac and Jacob.

To me, I see her story as the oppose of what people say. People say her story shows that Jews should be completely welcoming and accept those who want to convert or else they may turn and become harmful to the Jewish people (like Timna giving birth to Amalek). But I see it more as... "you see? She gave birth to Amalek, she was never supposed to have converted. Especially because she became the concubine of someone evil".
However, I cannot get any articles that support my view. I would have thought the Sages would have explained more about this...but maybe I am wrong?

To me, Timna represents the Gentiles who look at Judaism with admiration and want to join- yet are unwilling to follow the Torah. And we see that a lot. Just because someone wants to convert, does not mean they should..unless they really can live up to it. Because they are unwilling to work hard to convert, they take the easy way and either intermarry or do a fake and fast reform/masorti "conversions" which does more harm than good. They end up injured when they realize their "conversion" is not valid when they or their children are rejected...and then they or their children become haters of the Orthodox (like Amalek).

The story of Timna also keeps repeating itself in the Gentiles who fall in love with Jews and raise children who are not Jews but don't see themselves as Gentiles...or give birth to Jewish children who want to be Gentiles. Many of these kids grow up angry, bitter, resentful and may become hateful of the children of Israel and are either rashas or leftist anti-Israel Gentiles. Just like Timna gave birth to Amalek, so is the story repeating itself...and we are filled with a lot of Timnas today.

But without any of the Sages speaking about this, I am afraid this is all just my crazy views. Unless, if you know of any writings on the matter?

Binyamin Yisrael:
Orpah, the sister of Ruth, when turned away by Naomi went and to an orgy and got pregnant with the ancestor of Goliath while Ruth beacme the ancestress of David.

Orpah was not meant to be Jewish so when she could, she went and slept around like a shicksa, which is permitted for Non-Jews. Maybe she also went and ate pork and beef and cheese which is fine because she was not Jewish.

Binyamin Yisrael:
We learn from Ruth that converts have to be turned away at least 3 times. I guess Timna didn't persist after the third time and would rather stay a shicksa like Orpah.

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