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Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: LKZ on August 08, 2013, 09:17:44 PM ---Well technically we don't know for sure, but the earliest known copies are, and Paul wrote in a letter to some odd people that he was not writing it in his language, so it's generally accepted as being originally Greek. That is from the manuscript.
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Thanks for fixing your. Just maybe the muzzies pick up on revelations and used the sign of 666 to represent their moon gd...
muman613:
As I wrote in the Torah section the numerical value for the Samech-Mem (the HaSutton) is 100. I don't know what 'the beast' refers to as we have no such thing in Judaism (that I have ever heard). As explained ad-naseum the Jewish concept of the Sutton has nothing to do with evil but more specifically with the force created by Hashem to test us and challenge us, in order to see if we will succumb to our evil inclination.
There are three aspects of this force 1) The Evil Inclination (yetzer hara) 2) The Angel of Death 3) The Prosecuting Angel. None of these have any power other than the power given to it by Hashem thus there is no power-struggle as the Christians seem to indicate.
No Jew should ever fear the Sutton as he has no power over a Jew who has full faith in Hashem. Witness the story of Job for an example of how the Sutton tests Job.
muman613:
See the following discussion on the story of Job from the Talmud tractate Baba Basra 16a:
http://halakhah.com/rst/nezikin/33a%20-%20Baba%20Basra%20-%202a-35b.pdf
While he was yet speaking there came also another and said, The fire of God … While he was yet speaking there came also another and said, The Chaldeans made three bands … and fell upon the camels and have taken them away … While he was yet speaking there came also another and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house, and behold there came a great wind from the wilderness and smote the four corners of the house and it fell upon the young men … Then Job arose and rent his mantle and shaved his head … and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb and naked shall I return thither; the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord. In all this Job sinned not nor charged God with foolishness. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves … and the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord and said, From going to and fro in the earth, etc.2 He said: Sovereign of the Universe, I have traversed the whole earth, and have not found one like thy servant Abraham. For thou didst say to him, Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and the breadth of it, for to thee I will give it, and when he wanted to bury Sarah he could not find a place in which to bury her, and yet he did not complain against thy ways. Then the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, for there is none like him in the earth … and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him to destroy him without cause.3 Said R. Johanan: Were it not expressly stated in the Scripture, we would not dare to say it. [God is made to appear] like a man who allows himself to be persuaded against his better judgment. A Tanna taught: [Satan] comes down to earth and seduces, then ascends to heaven and awakens wrath; permission is granted to him and he takes away the soul.
And Satan answered the Lord and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face. And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold he is in thine hand: only spare his life. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord and smote Job, etc.4 R. Isaac said: Satan's torment was worse than that of Job; he was like a servant who is told by his master, 'Break the cask but do not let any of the wine spill.' Resh Lakish said: Satan, the evil prompter, and the Angel of Death are all one. He is called Satan, as it is written, And Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.5 He is called the evil prompter:6 [we know this because] it is written in another place, [Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart] was only evil continually,7 and it is written here [in connection with Satan] 'Only upon himself put not forth thine hand.8 The same is also the Angel of Death, since it says, Only spare his life,9 which shows that Job's life belonged to him.
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: אפרים בן נח on August 08, 2013, 09:24:23 PM --- Thanks for fixing your. Just maybe the muzzies pick up on revelations and used the sign of 666 to represent their moon gd...
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That was quite insightful.
And for Muman, I didn't even think that I was bringing up "the son of the devil" thing, it was just like either islam is descendant from something that they knew about then, or they added it later, and now Ephraim proposes the mudrats could have simply done what they also do and copied it. It's a pretty big coincidence that they say that is the mark of the thing that's going to take over the world, and they really are, so maybe it was part of a prophesy that remained intact, or something too. I like to be right about everything, so I can't not have all the responses to arguments.
muman613:
--- Quote from: LKZ on August 08, 2013, 11:44:55 PM ---That was quite insightful.
And for Muman, I didn't even think that I was bringing up "the son of the devil" thing, it was just like either islam is descendant from something that they knew about then, or they added it later, and now Ephraim proposes the mudrats could have simply done what they also do and copied it. It's a pretty big coincidence that they say that is the mark of the thing that's going to take over the world, and they really are, so maybe it was part of a prophesy that remained intact, or something too. I like to be right about everything, so I can't not have all the responses to arguments.
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I am coming from a strictly Jewish understanding, so maybe you have something but I just can't grasp it because I don't learn about what other religions teach. So I will try to explain my understanding of your question.
So the number 666 in greek looks like the Arabic name of allah according to that image you posted. So the first question I have is 'Is the image you posted the truth?' so let us look at what the word 'allah' looks like in arabic...
Now for the greek 666...
I don't really see the connection. Although I have just come across sites which are spreading this supposed connection. But it seems that both Judaism and Islam attribute holiness to the number 666. As the excerpt I posted above explained that 666 is the gematria of the request Moses our teacher made to Hashem to beg him for mercy...
--- Quote ---The number 666 has significance as the numerical value of the Hebrew verse: "Ata yigdal na koach Ado-nai -- Now, I pray, let the Power of my Lord be great." (Numbers 14:17). This was Moshe's prayer invoking Divine Mercy on behalf of the Jewish People.
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Once again I must realize that several things about Jewish faith has been turned around by some other religions. The divine number 13 has an evil connotation in our western world, while in Judaism we praise Hashems 13 traits of Mercy every Rosh Hashana. 13 is a very special number in many ways. So too with this 666 which in Judaism has no connection to evil.It is only those who believe in the power of evil that these kinds of connections are formed.
As to whether Islam is connected with HaSatan... Not in the way that you think. I don't attribute any power to the muslim world. For the most part they are just playing the role that Hashem intends them to play. As I state many times, I am a man of full faith in Hashem, and I believe everything (including my brothers death on 9/11) is in the hands of Hashem.
HaSatan is a force in the world which tests us. His job is to get us to do wrong in our eyes, and in the eyes of Hashem. This force has no will of its own, it has no power independent of our G-d. The satan will be destroyed at the appointed time. He has no portion in the world to come.
Anyway, I hope this answers your question or at least brings you to think of more good questions...
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