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Offline Ben Yehuda

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Who is a Jew
« on: August 31, 2008, 05:04:21 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/29/AR2008082903594.html

It is difficult to understand why someone who wants to be a Jew and makes a serious effort at it would not be considered one, while one born to a Jewish mother but observes none of the laws is considered a Jew.

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Re: Who is a Jew
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 05:39:58 PM »
"It is difficult to understand why someone who wants to be a Jew and makes a serious effort at it would not be considered one"

 The person (lady) in the article does not seem to show this. The opposite is true. It is either all or nothing, someone not keeping the Shabb-ath, not observing family purity and calls themselves a "convert" is not valid, as with the lady in this case. And about your question about those people born of Jewish parents who do not observe these things- on a level you are right, becuase a Jew who doesn't observe the Shabb-t is like a goy, but the only difference is that they can become "fully Jewish" (Quote on quote) once they make tishuva, while a non-Jew has to go through a conversion process. -(just so their is no confussion- the non-observent Jew is Halahically or legally Jewish, but on a level he or she does cut themselves off when they break very important things like the Shabb-t and family purity).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Who is a Jew
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 06:44:04 PM »
I'm a Jew
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Who is a Jew
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 06:45:27 PM »
Shalom,

I only recognize the Orthodox Conversion. I know several friends who have gone the whole 9 yards and are fully Shomer Shabbat and keep Kosher. It is sad to me, to see other splinters of Judaism make converts who dont really appreciate what the Jew is required to observe. We dont want to make converts who desecrate the name of Hashem. Only those who truthfully want to observe the rituals of Judaism should be allowed to convert.

This is my opinion, and how I live my life. I would not be with my spouse if not for conversion.

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Re: Who is a Jew
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2008, 07:13:59 PM »
Rabbi Druckman is a good Rabbi there has to be a happy medium for this woman
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Re: Who is a Jew
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2008, 07:38:31 PM »
Rabbi Druckman is a good Rabbi there has to be a happy medium for this woman

 Yes their is- its called following the laws. I dont think anyone (who is a true Rabbi) would allow compromise on life and death situations like Shabb-t and family purity. Breaking them is Karet, so their is no compromise no matter how many people might feel certain emotions. Halacha is law, not emotion.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

Please visit: (The Greatest lectures on Earth).
http://torahanytime.com/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/
http://www.torahanytime.com/Rabbi/Zecharia_Wallerstein/