OECD: Israeli students rank last in science, math

[Fonzworth]

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[Americanhero1]

So what

[TheCoon]

This is due to Israel's ultra-socialist government. Though it must be said the arabs probably have a disproportionate rate of failure much like the blacks in America do and that brings it down.

[White Israelite]

I've heard that some Israeli schools don't even teach science, anyways that's pretty bad. Israeli IQ is also lower than the American Jewish IQ, this could be due to the government, increasing Arab population, Ethiopian population, or Russian population.

[q_q_]

So what

Well if your children ranked last in science and maths in one school, and highly in another, then you might want to know.

I know intelligence might not be something you value, but it is valuable.

[Ulli]

They have taken the Muslim Arab population in this study as well as the Israelis. So the outcome is perhaps not as bad as it seems on the first view:

Education Minister Yuli Tamir cited the diversity of the Israeli education system as a uniquely demanding factor. "The Israeli education system is abnormally heterogeneous," Tamir said. "It's made up of four sub-systems - Hebrew state schools, Arab state schools, religious state schools and ultra-Orthodox schools. This multitude of disciplines requires additional budgets, a problem which the OCED's exemplary countries don't have to face."

I can only tell from the European school systems. The Muslims darg normally down the average 

[Roadwarrior]

The probably have the  breakdown by religion or
cultural group ...but are being politically correct in
not going public with the numbers.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Who cares? Im kinda gladd actually becuase school and the school system is mostly a waist of time. If one wants to be a doctor then let him/her study things like bio, and chem, etc. But for the average person, it is all non-sense and irrelevent. Of- course knowing basic math wont hurt, but still most of the so-called education system is bs. I hope that these systems eventually break down and we wont have to waist time in persuing secular subjects that are not needed for our jobs.

[George]

TIMSS 2003 Tables

Table 6. Average science scale scores of eighth-grade students, by country: 2003

Country    Average score
International average1    473
Singapore    578
Chinese Taipei    571
Korea, Republic of    558
Hong Kong SAR2,3    556
Estonia    552
Japan    552
Hungary    543
Netherlands2    536
(United States)    527
Australia    527
Sweden    524
Slovenia    520
New Zealand    520
Lithuania4    519
Slovak Republic    517
Belgium-Flemish    516
Russian Federation    514
Latvia    512
Scotland2    512
Malaysia    510
Norway    494
Italy    491
(Israel)    488
Bulgaria    479
Jordan    475
Moldova, Republic of    472
Romania    470
Serbia4    468
Armenia    461
Iran, Islamic Republic of    453
(Macedonia, Republic of)    449
Cyprus    441
Bahrain    438
Palestinian National Authority    435
Egypt    421
Indonesia4    420
Chile    413
Tunisia    404
Saudi Arabia    398
(Morocco)    396
Lebanon    393
Philippines    377
Botswana    365
Ghana    255
South Africa    244
Singapore, Chinese Taipei, Republic of Korea, Hong Kong, Estonia, Japan, HungaryAverage is higher than the U.S. average
Netherlands, United States, Australia, Sweden, Slovenia, New ZealandAverage is not measurably different from the U.S.
International average, Lithuania, Slovak Republic, Belgium-Flemish, Russian Federation, Latvia, Scotland, Malaysia, Norway, Italy, Israel, Bulgaria, Jordan, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Serbia, Armenia, Islamic Republic of Iran, Republic of Macedonia, Cyprus, Bahrain, Palestinian National Authority, Egypt, Indonesia, Chile, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Lebanon, Philippines, Botswana, Ghana, South AfricaAverage is lower than the U.S. average

[nopeaceforland]

Are you sure we're not allowing shvugs into Israel? That would drive down education ANYwhere!

[White Israelite]

Who cares? Im kinda gladd actually becuase school and the school system is mostly a waist of time. If one wants to be a doctor then let him/her study things like bio, and chem, etc. But for the average person, it is all non-sense and irrelevent. Of- course knowing basic math wont hurt, but still most of the so-called education system is bs. I hope that these systems eventually break down and we wont have to waist time in persuing secular subjects that are not needed for our jobs.

And this is exactly why Israel is going downhill. A educated society is good. Look at many of the countries with intelligent people.

[Manch]

This is a disaster!

[Ulli]

Who cares? Im kinda gladd actually becuase school and the school system is mostly a waist of time. If one wants to be a doctor then let him/her study things like bio, and chem, etc. But for the average person, it is all non-sense and irrelevent. Of- course knowing basic math wont hurt, but still most of the so-called education system is bs. I hope that these systems eventually break down and we wont have to waist time in persuing secular subjects that are not needed for our jobs.

Exactly my thoughts. The education system and the socialist gouvernment tries to create us like they want. But this is honestly not the task of a gouvernment.

I have heard so often from politicians, that this adjustment and that adjustment in the syllabuses has to make in order to make our society more successfull.

Sometimes I think the children are robots that were programmed in order to work like leftists want.

So imo education belongs in private hands and not in the hands of the bolschewik gouvernment.

[q_q_]

And this is exactly why Israel is going downhill. A educated society is good. Look at many of the countries with intelligent people.

what is exactly why?

idiot govt is why.

tzvi's mentality is not.  tzvi is just influenced by charedi thought. Israelis are not, they are largely secular.

BTW There are alot of doctors in israel. Prob disproportionate.