SHAME: Haredi men discovered secretly surfing tabooed sites

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So the seculars look at porn openly.   Then they condemn religious haredim who sneak away from their own communities where it isn't allowed and look at it secretly (or at least tried to get away with it).   These guys who are sneaking out to look at porn aren't telling anybody else to do anything.  They're obviously rebels who don't even tell themselves to do anything.   Or they simply caved in to the temptation.  So it's ridiculous to say haredim are all hypocrites over 2 guys from bnei brak who gave in to the temptation of porn - which the seculars regularly surf into without even trying not to or without even thinking it's problematic.   So from the atheist point of view, what's so bad about it that a religious guy does it, if it's not bad for a secular guy to do it?   Atheists are often incapable of making sense.

Absolutely..

I think this is case of secular psychological basket cases that are trying to make excuses for not being religious.

A bit like, dare I say it, the fellow that said you can't keep everything so don't keep anything (don't elaborate on that one!)

[White Israelite]

It's absurd for any jew that professes to keep kosher, to sneak out and eat ham or pork at a restaurant.
OK, he he wants to hide, but It's not like a sex drive that he has to deal with. 

It's pretty easy to not eat a certain food (assuming you have other foods to eat!)

In the case that one doesn't have kosher available to them or they are starving, they are allowed to violate the dietary laws right?

My family is a weird bunch, I don't respect what they do, but that's why I call them hypocrites, they eat "kosher" when they are there, and have their kids eat kosher but the parents don't even do so themselves, do you understand where i'm coming from? I mean they eat kosher but they don't really strictly keep it like their supposed to which is why I think it's messed up.

Give you an example, my area, kosher really isn't commonly available. I order some stuff online but it gets really expensive, we do have a small kosher section at our publix stores but other than that, it's just really not an option because we don't have any prevalent Jewish community here in my area of Florida, the closest community is at least an hour or so away in Pensacola.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

"In the case that one doesn't have kosher available to them or they are starving, they are allowed to violate the dietary laws right? "

 Are they really starving? Are their not alternatives- for example fruits, crackers, chips in a bag or something?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Talkback #31 on that site by "Jo Jo"   is very funny, I highly recommend it.

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It's absurd for any jew that professes to keep kosher, to sneak out and eat ham or pork at a restaurant.
OK, he he wants to hide, but It's not like a sex drive that he has to deal with. 

It's pretty easy to not eat a certain food (assuming you have other foods to eat!)

In the case that one doesn't have kosher available to them or they are starving, they are allowed to violate the dietary laws right?

My family is a weird bunch, I don't respect what they do, but that's why I call them hypocrites, they eat "kosher" when they are there, and have their kids eat kosher but the parents don't even do so themselves, do you understand where i'm coming from? I mean they eat kosher but they don't really strictly keep it like their supposed to which is why I think it's messed up.

Give you an example, my area, kosher really isn't commonly available. I order some stuff online but it gets really expensive, we do have a small kosher section at our publix stores but other than that, it's just really not an option because we don't have any prevalent Jewish community here in my area of Florida, the closest community is at least an hour or so away in Pensacola.

You talk about keeping kosher strictly, but keeping kosher strictly is more than you think.

Somebody that eats pork is not keeping kosher at all. He is rebelling and making an effort to eat treif(non-kosher)!!!!!

I actually don't shop at kosher shops that much, they sell mostly sugary salty junk. Treif shops selling pre-packaged food also do though not as much.

The cheese I buy has a Chechsher, it's from a kosher shop. I find it low in salt. I can't even taste the salt.

I buy alot from the supermarket.
Rice, Tuna, Spaghetti.

Apparently the people that keep kosher stricter than me would only buy a tuna can from a kosher make, because they've told me there is a risk of dolphin being in there.   It boils down to how much risk you want to take. I risk it.

I buy bread with a chechsher, but it's available.
There is an issue with bread from a non-kosher place, for example the stuff they use on the crust.

I am a fussy eater, and find myself very limited even with the kosher shops, because all the food there is unhealthy junk.  I have bought things from health food stores quite often..  You can be sure those places don't put animal products in their foods. Just basic incredients in there.  It's a risk kashrut-wise.  Drinks like I found a nice thick healthy high calory oat drink, in a health store.

There's alot you can buy in a supermarket that are raw ingredients,  or slightly riskier, pre made things in a health store.  Not anything really special..  It's all about what standard you want to keep, how much risk you want to take.

I saw a spread whose ingredients said "99% roasted almond, sea salt".    Now, if a crunchie bar is kosher, I'm betting that is too!  

There is risk, that the company that makes it make treif and use the same machinary. That an employee brings a ham sandwich in.  
 
If you were keeping kosher really strictly, then you wouldn't live in the area you do, you would probably move out, and even risk eating unhealthy pre packaged junk just because it's kosher!!!  

There aren't that many things in kosher stores that are appetising..

MEAT is the main thing there.
and Cheese I get.     I don't really know how important a chechsher is on cheese. But I have kosher food stores available in my area, so it's no problem for me.  Kosher cheese is twice the price, but I pay it.

I would never eat treif meat.  
If there were no kosher places available I wouldn't eat meat from a treif place.  But I have been brought up on kosher..

I don't get tempted by non-kosher places.

Eating treif food is to me as ridiculous as jumping over the rail in the supermarket.  It's pointless, damaging and just mad. There's no need..

As you can see.. There are many raw ingredients you can buy that would be kosher.

And some major makes are are supervised.
Hellmans mayonnaise is fine
Heinz tomato ketchup is fine

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"In the case that one doesn't have kosher available to them or they are starving, they are allowed to violate the dietary laws right? "

 Are they really starving? Are their not alternatives- for example fruits, crackers, chips in a bag or something?

I seriously doubt anybody is truly starving.. Well actually, I used to starve in my jewish primary school!!!!! Tiny breakfast and no food throughout the day because I refused to eat their horrible lunch.  And we weren't allowed packed lunch.  Never starved to death though. I also seemed to make it through alive.. A bit shaky sometimes, and drained,  but alive!  And one time as a student I kept myself on a strict budget. Technically not starving, but starved of decent nutrition.. I wouldn't do that again

Now seriously.. Do you think eating crackers that aren't supervised is ok?  no big deal.. I have at times, but 'cos i'm mad that the kosher makes are so unhealthy. Was a bit rebelliious, and I wouldn't really want to be seen lest people think I keep even less..

and chips in a bag? as in chips from a treif place?!!
seriously?
that's something i've never ever do.. Chips are unhealthy by the way. Fried ones anyway.
If in complete desperation I might eat kosher ones from a store, but NEVER from any old place!

[White Israelite]

"In the case that one doesn't have kosher available to them or they are starving, they are allowed to violate the dietary laws right? "

 Are they really starving? Are their not alternatives- for example fruits, crackers, chips in a bag or something?

I seriously doubt anybody is truly starving.. Well actually, I used to starve in my jewish primary school!!!!! Tiny breakfast and no food throughout the day because I refused to eat their horrible lunch.  And we weren't allowed packed lunch.  Never starved to death though. I also seemed to make it through alive.. A bit shaky sometimes, and drained,  but alive!  And one time as a student I kept myself on a strict budget. Technically not starving, but starved of decent nutrition.. I wouldn't do that again

Now seriously.. Do you think eating crackers that aren't supervised is ok?  no big deal.. I have at times, but 'cos i'm mad that the kosher makes are so unhealthy. Was a bit rebelliious, and I wouldn't really want to be seen lest people think I keep even less..

and chips in a bag? as in chips from a treif place?!!
seriously?
that's something i've never ever do.. Chips are unhealthy by the way. Fried ones anyway.
If in complete desperation I might eat kosher ones from a store, but NEVER from any old place!

I guess what I meant by starving is that in the event the countrys economy goes down hill or we have another great depression?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

"Do you think eating crackers that aren't supervised is ok" - and also the chips-

 No, I meant that is their really no box of crackers, or bags of chips in the supermarkets that have an Ou or one of the other kosher symbols (telling the products are kosher) on them that one can buy and eat, or does the person ask if they do have these foods (and im sure they do, one can purchase many kosher items, at almost most stores expecially in America), but dont have things like kosher meat, and they want to purchase treif instead, becuase its- available, or cheaper or one of the other excuses?
 The point is that one should not deduce that from situation A- One is literally starving (even with that one should do everything they can, for example in jail this situation can come up- to avoid non-kosher, even bribe someone not to eat non-kosher, but be given something kosher, or even fruits). To situation B where kosher is harder to get, or one has to drive longer, or their is not as much variety, etc.

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"Do you think eating crackers that aren't supervised is ok" - and also the chips-

 No, I meant that is their really no box of crackers, or bags of chips in the supermarkets that have an Ou or one of the other kosher symbols (telling the products are kosher) on them that one can buy and eat, or does the person ask if they do have these foods (and im sure they do, one can purchase many kosher items, at almost most stores expecially in America), but dont have things like kosher meat, and they want to purchase treif instead, becuase its- available, or cheaper or one of the other excuses?
 The point is that one should not deduce that from situation A- One is literally starving (even with that one should do everything they can, for example in jail this situation can come up- to avoid non-kosher, even bribe someone not to eat non-kosher, but be given something kosher, or even fruits). To situation B where kosher is harder to get, or one has to drive longer, or their is not as much variety, etc.

ok.. good you explained yourself.