Author Topic: (With link) Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel (Read 1664 times)

Fonzworth · « **on:** October 06, 2008, 10:45:21 PM »

Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel

Zealots accused of beating Jerusalem woman for allegedly consorting with men, torching store selling MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography. 'It's very similar to what you hear about in countries like Iran,' says novelist Naomi Ragen

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3605707,00.html

Many haredi Jews dismayed by violence

I thought I had posted the link the first time, lol. Look I'm not bashing anyone I'm just reporting the article, don't you want to know what's going on out there...

Tzvi Ben Roshel1 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:47:30 PM »

so?

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:51:17 PM »

Fonzworth, it has been quite a while since you made a post that wasn't bashing religious Jews.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:52:53 PM »

Sounds like a description of Islamic areas.. This might be a false article bashing religious Jews...

If this were true, I would have a terrible issue with Jews acting in this manner.

jaime · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:56:36 PM »

sounds like it could be a false report to incite violence, and more hatred towards Jewish people.

Tzvi Ben Roshel1 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:58:02 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Dan on October 06, 2008, 10:52:53 PM

Sounds like a description of Islamic areas.. This might be a false article bashing religious Jews...

If this were true, I would have a terrible issue with Jews acting in this manner.

The truth is that it is false propaganda (wayy overly stated, etc.) BUT if you want to say that it sounds like something that would be in an islamic country, I have news for you- Our society is supposed to be even stricter, and people should stop imagining Judaism to be liberal non-sense.

Americanhero1 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:58:10 PM »

Post a link

Tzvi Ben Roshel1 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2008, 11:03:36 PM »

By the way I do imagine that it can and maybe did happen, but what they wont tell you is that many times they are provoked. For example take an "ultra-Orthodox" Neighborhood. They try to keep their children and themselves far away from immodesty. Make sure they dont see immodest ladies- So they wont go to Tel-Aviv, have signs in their neighborhoods to follow the dress code- Dont drive on their neighborhood streets on Shabbat etc. Then their are sometimes people who purposly drive by just to get at them. Or a lady not dressing modestly not caring, etc. For them it is a crime, and I'm guessing that they rationalise that "better get into one fight and keep them away"- then have them do what they want and take us down with them.

Chaim Ben Pesach · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:32:07 AM »

Here we go with Fonzworth again posting anti-Jewish lying threads. This article is anti-religious leftwing propaganda and a complete lie.

mord · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:35:31 AM »

Ragen is a leftist she was once relegious now is womens activists as well as a plagerizer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Ragen

AsheDina · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:50:19 AM »

Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 07, 2008, 08:32:07 AM

Here we go with Fonzworth again posting anti-Jewish lying threads. This article is anti-religious leftwing propaganda and a complete lie.

Fonzworth- you are not really nice. All that you do is post NEGATIVE JUNK. It is VERY irritating too. I DARE YOU to find something GOOD. I DOUBLE DARE YOU.

Dan · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:54:58 AM »

Ban Fonzworth!
Enough of this propaganda!

Muck DeFuslims · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:20:38 PM »

Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 07, 2008, 08:32:07 AM

Here we go with Fonzworth again posting anti-Jewish lying threads. This article is anti-religious leftwing propaganda and a complete lie.

The article is definitely anti-religious. However, I doubt it is a complete lie.

Certainly, isolated occurences of some religious Jews in Israel going 'too far' or 'overboard' in defending the modesty of their communities, can't be realistically compared with the state sanctioned modesty patrols found in Islamic sewers like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

However, the story does raise an interesting question:

If Israel is to be a Jewish State, ruled by Jewish law and Judaism, how far should the state go in imposing strict religious rule over the secular component of it's citizenry ?

This is a very difficult issue and worthy of further thought and discussion.

Ulli · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:26:01 PM »

Fonzworth, do you want to be banned? Imo it looks like this.

Shamgar · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:33:09 PM »

oHHH Let me do it.. My turn. Please please please.

Ulli · « **Reply #15 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:36:33 PM »

This article is very weak. All so called witnesses of the "attacks" are not mentioned by name.

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The unidentified, 31-year-old woman

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"They can burn in hell," said the girl, who would identify herself only as Rivka.

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Ragen and several other women challenged the practice in Israel's Supreme Court after an Orthodox Canadian woman in her 50s told police she was kicked, slapped, pushed to the floor and spat upon by men for refusing to move to the back of the bus.

This is a smear campaign. It is obvious.

Anonyme wittnesses and comparisons with the apartheid.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #16 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:44:13 PM »

Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on October 06, 2008, 10:58:02 PM

Quote from: Dr. Dan on October 06, 2008, 10:52:53 PM
Sounds like a description of Islamic areas.. This might be a false article bashing religious Jews...

If this were true, I would have a terrible issue with Jews acting in this manner.

The truth is that it is false propaganda (wayy overly stated, etc.) BUT if you want to say that it sounds like something that would be in an islamic country, I have news for you- Our society is supposed to be even stricter, and people should stop imagining Judaism to be liberal non-sense.

Except we don't go from point 0 to point 360 over night! Such changes would take generations. Otherwise there would be a lot of revolution and a lot of unnecessary death and a lot of people leaving Judaism..I can promise you that...Strict isn't necessarily the right way. Not yet..not today. Maybe tomorrow..but who knows...IT was the way of yesterday...

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:46:12 PM »

Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on October 07, 2008, 06:20:38 PM

Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 07, 2008, 08:32:07 AM
Here we go with Fonzworth again posting anti-Jewish lying threads. This article is anti-religious leftwing propaganda and a complete lie.

The article is definitely anti-religious. However, I doubt it is a complete lie.

Certainly, isolated occurences of some religious Jews in Israel going 'too far' or 'overboard' in defending the modesty of their communities, can't be realistically compared with the state sanctioned modesty patrols found in Islamic sewers like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

However, the story does raise an interesting question:

If Israel is to be a Jewish State, ruled by Jewish law and Judaism, how far should the state go in imposing strict religious rule over the secular component of it's citizenry ?

This is a very difficult issue and worthy of further thought and discussion.

Answer: Very gradually...VERY...may take 3-20 generations for it to be done properly.

syyuge · « **Reply #18 on:** October 08, 2008, 12:22:36 PM »

As usual, a Euro-Communist propaganda.

briann · « **Reply #19 on:** October 08, 2008, 01:17:12 PM »

Quote from: jaime on October 06, 2008, 10:56:36 PM

sounds like it could be a false report to incite violence, and more hatred towards Jewish people.

I was gonna say the same thing. THis is absolute B.S.