Author Topic: look can somebody please explain, (Read 9867 times)

tonycali99 · « **on:** February 20, 2007, 07:32:47 PM »

why is jtf so against gay's? i dont like the lifestyle but i dont hate it or them. i have plenty of gay friend's and some of them support israel and are zioneist's. i dont like it when they sleep around and hit bathouses and do porn and stuff but thats a small minority of them. most are decent people and so long as they support israel and americas war on terror i donot care what they do in bed.

thanks tony from california.

tonycali99 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2007, 07:34:43 PM »

also guy's (i think hayam is one of you right?), please take into acount the fact that gay's and jew's share so much in common, pursucuted and hated in all countrie's and sometimes murdered by mob's. i think jtf and rightous (not all!) gay's should be allies or if not just then get along.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:27:16 PM »

First off, please do not call them 'gays' because 'gay' means 'happy' and homosexuals cannot be happy.

Second, homosexuality is considered sinful by Judaism, Christianity, and most people of most faiths. Not only is it sinful, but it is unhealthy and biologically unnatural.

Third, JTF does not oppose homosexuals because they are homosexual. Their lifestyle is opposed because it is anti-family and generally immoral. If they support Israel, that is great. If they support America, that is wonderful. JTF does not categorically oppose homosexuals. It opposes homosexuality.

I happen to have the libertarian perspective on this issue. Personally I believe individuals have the right to do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes. That is what freedom is and I do not want to impose my morality on them, even if I disagree. Nonetheless, the homosexual agenda is no longer behind closed doors.

Elements of Judaism have allowed openly homosexual Rabbis. There are homosexual pride parades in Israel, the Holy Land. Homosexuality causes the spread of AIDS and billions of tax dollars have been wasted teaching monkeys in Africa how to use a condom. Our children are being taught in kindergarten that it is ok to have two mommies and two daddies. Homosexual marriage has been legalized by activist judges in several states even though ballot initiatives show that the OVERWHELMING majority of people oppose its legalization.

MassuhDGoodName · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:00:38 AM »

JUDAISM CONDEMNS ALL FORMS OF SEXUAL ACTIVITY EXCEPT THOSE PROSCRIBED BETWEEN MAN AND WIFE IN THE TORAH.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DEGENERATE AND ABNORMAL PRACTICE; THE WIDESPREAD AND COMMON NORM WORLDWIDE IN ANCIENT TIMES AMONG THE PAGANS AND IDOLATORS.

WE JEWS WERE THE FIRST AND ONLY PEOPLE IN HISTORY TO DECLARE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ABOMINATION; OUR LAWS CONCERNING IT WERE REVEALED DIRECTLY TO MOSES BY THE ONE TRUE G-D OF THE UNIVERSE.

AS SUCH, WE JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH THOSE WHO OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL PRACTICE SEXUAL DEGENERACY.

AND...BEFORE YOU LAY THE ARGUMENT ON US THAT "HOMOSEXUALS ARE BORN THAT WAY...SO WE MUST BE TOLERANT"; WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY LAYING THIS ARGUMENT DOWN ON US..."IT'S MERELY A "CHOICE" OF LIFESTYLES" (this of course, totally negating the argument that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice), I MUST ASK THESE QUESTIONS:

-DO MURDERERS "CHOOSE" TO MURDER; OR ARE MURDERERS "BORN THAT WAY"?

-IF THEY ARE "BORN AS MURDERERS", THEN SHOULDN'T THEIR BEHAVIOR BE "TOLERATED" BY EVERYONE?...AFTER ALL, IT'S A "NATURAL" ACTIVITY, IS IT NOT?

-IF, INSTEAD, MURDERERS "CHOOSE" TO COMMIT MURDER, MUST WE NOT AS A SOCIETY ACCEPT AND "BE TOLERANT" OF THEIR "MERE CHOICE OF LIFESTYLES"?...

AFTER ALL, WHO'S TO JUDGE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG ANYWAY?...

JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK A MURDERER SHOULD NOT KILL YOU, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE REST OF US NECESSARILY FEEL THAT HE SHOULDN'T KILL YOU...

AFTER ALL, THAT WOULD BE VERY "DEMOCRATIC" IF THE MAJORITY VOTES TO LET YOU BE MURDERED BY SOMEONE OF AN "ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE, RIGHT?...

AND THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST GOOD...BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS NO SUPREME BEING OR RIGHT OR WRONG ANYWAY, CORRECT?...

S--T HAPPENS, RIGHT?...

Christian Zionist · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:06:13 AM »

Tony,

Please read the following thread where homosexuality is discussed extensively!

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=44.0

kahaneloyalist · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:21:07 AM »

Tony, it is very important to remember that it is not a hatred of the individual but of evil actions. Many homosexuals can be very nice people but what they are doing is defined as evil by Judaism. It is not personal but this is Halacha. You should know that if a person has such desires but never acts upon them they havent done any averot.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:53:01 AM »

Mods, when are you gonna hurry up and ban this poser?

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:58:32 AM »

Quote from: Chaimfan on February 21, 2007, 12:53:01 AM

Mods, when are you gonna hurry up and ban this poser?

I'm as trigger-happy as you are but I don't think the mods will comply.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:36:18 AM »

Quote from: Chaimfan on February 21, 2007, 12:53:01 AM

Mods, when are you gonna hurry up and ban this poser?

Why are you guys so happy to ban people who disagree?
Now, I don't like fags either.
No, don't ban them, burn them.

Hajar · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:15:46 PM »

Quote from: angryChineseManiac on February 21, 2007, 11:36:18 AM

Quote from: Chaimfan on February 21, 2007, 12:53:01 AM
Mods, when are you gonna hurry up and ban this poser?
Why are you guys so happy to ban people who disagree?
Now, I don't like fags either.
No, don't ban them, burn them.

lol i agree. I do not understand how anybody can be a homosexual in the first place. It is not genetic or a physical disease, it is a psychological disease, a sickness of the soul. It defies nature....

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:18:01 PM »

Quote from: ~Hajar~ on February 21, 2007, 05:15:46 PM

Quote from: angryChineseManiac on February 21, 2007, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: Chaimfan on February 21, 2007, 12:53:01 AM
Mods, when are you gonna hurry up and ban this poser?
Why are you guys so happy to ban people who disagree?
Now, I don't like fags either.
No, don't ban them, burn them.

lol i agree. I do not understand how anybody can be a homosexual in the first place. It is not genetic or a physical disease, it is a psychological disease, a sickness of the soul. It defies nature....

I agree. Homosexuality neither natural nor a choice. It is a mental sickness.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:11:37 PM »

Yacov, Jimmy... please.

tonycali99 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2007, 07:18:52 PM »

you are all making me sick, i asked an honest question and all i get in exchange is insults. you should be shamed of yourself's and im sure the rightous jew's of israel are shamed of you for being such internet troll's.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2007, 07:50:27 PM »

Quote from: tonycali99 on February 27, 2007, 07:18:52 PM

you are all making me sick, i asked an honest question and all i get in exchange is insults. you should be shamed of yourself's and im sure the rightous jew's of israel are shamed of you for being such internet troll's.

I gave you a great answer so why are you insulting me? I answered all of your questions without any sort of personal attack.

Here it is, in case you didn't catch it the first time:

First off, please do not call them 'gays' because 'gay' means 'happy' and homosexuals cannot be happy.

Second, homosexuality is considered sinful by Judaism, Christianity, and most people of most faiths. Not only is it sinful, but it is unhealthy and biologically unnatural.

Third, JTF does not oppose homosexuals because they are homosexual. Their lifestyle is opposed because it is anti-family and generally immoral. If they support Israel, that is great. If they support America, that is wonderful. JTF does not categorically oppose homosexuals. It opposes homosexuality.

I happen to have the libertarian perspective on this issue. Personally I believe individuals have the right to do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes. That is what freedom is and I do not want to impose my morality on them, even if I disagree. Nonetheless, the homosexual agenda is no longer behind closed doors.

Elements of Judaism have allowed openly homosexual Rabbis. There are homosexual pride parades in Israel, the Holy Land. Homosexuality causes the spread of AIDS and billions of tax dollars have been wasted teaching monkeys in Africa how to use a condom. Our children are being taught in kindergarten that it is ok to have two mommies and two daddies. Homosexual marriage has been legalized by activist judges in several states even though ballot initiatives show that the OVERWHELMING majority of people oppose its legalization.

Hajar · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2007, 05:07:12 PM »

Tony, why do you have fairly positive views for homosexuality in the first place? Just interested.

tonycali99 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:11:19 PM »

you know i am not gay, but i do have some gay friend's and i want them treated the same, upsets me that people here at jtf hate homosexual's for no reason, all of my gay friend's support israel and one is even jewish, and here you guy's are treating them like sh&% for no reason.

Maccabi · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:39:17 PM »

this fag must go.

now he is trying to say that AIDS is not a gay disease.

there is no such thing as a 'managamous' faggot.

Their whole drug using faggot infested culture is what caused AIDS to grow.

That is part of the reason I hate stupid gays like toni so much is because innocent heterosexual people can catch AIDS as collateral damage when it should only be the fags getting it.

stupid faggots like tony who are gay propogandists and in denial go and donate blood and think that they are a normal and healthy part of society. they are in such denial that their behaviour could be wrong and that they can infect other innocent people.

people think it is so cool and hip to be bisexual and wear these ugly piercings and dress like a dirty $#!t sack and promote homo culture.

I vote for ban.

*and JTF does not need gay allies.
Unlike 99% of other political groups and movements out there, JTF will not bend to gay political pressure.

I'm sick of your disgusting 'political blackmail' that "gays and jews have so much in common".
It really is hateful comparison. The only jews you have anything in common with are the self-hating left wing faggots. You should go ally with them I am sure they would welcome you into their degenerate cause.

cjd · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:41:35 PM »

Quote from: tonycali99 on March 06, 2007, 07:11:19 PM

you know i am not gay, but i do have some gay friend's and i want them treated the same, upsets me that people here at jtf hate homosexual's for no reason, all of my gay friend's support israel and one is even jewish, and here you guy's are treating them like sh&% for no reason.

Tony you honestly seem to have more irons in the fire on this issue than just being a concerned friend. This is a dead issue around here for the simple reason that JTF is a religious forum. Despite what perspective you look at it from Jewish or Christian homosexuality is not an accepted way of life. I liked this issue better when it was kept in the closet. Their are hundreds of topics to debate with us here on the forum let this one go by the wayside where it belongs.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:53:18 PM »

Quote from: tonycali99 on March 06, 2007, 07:11:19 PM

you know i am not gay, but i do have some gay friend's and i want them treated the same, upsets me that people here at jtf hate homosexual's for no reason, all of my gay friend's support israel and one is even jewish, and here you guy's are treating them like sh&% for no reason.

The activities of JTF have ZERO impact on the lives of your gay friends (unless of course they are wikipedia editors-which wouldn't come as a great shock to me).

Your concern is ludicrous, I'm sorry to say.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2007, 11:26:47 PM »

I am with Macka and all the others. Yacov, please reconsider and ban this fag.

Fruit of thy loins · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:35:39 AM »

Quote from: ~Hajar~ on February 28, 2007, 05:07:12 PM

Tony, why do you have fairly positive views for homosexuality in the first place? Just interested.

WOW! JUST, LIKE WOW!

You are taking time out from studying medicine to come and ask a random guy about why he talks about homosexuality on an internet forum.

Not only are you a Muslim supermodel but you have your fingers in all manner of pies!

You are so credible.

jsullivan · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2007, 02:21:22 AM »

I agree with Yacov that there is no reason to ban Tony. Are we going to be a forum that bans all opposing views?

Tony, homosexuality is wrong, sinful and immoral even if there is only one sex partner. It is completely unnatural and abnormal behavior. G-d repeatedly warns us in the Bible about this terrible sin.

If you have friends who are homosexual, then they need help to overcome their perversion. You should find a group in your area that deals with this problem, and advise your friends to join the group.

You are not going to convince us to accept that which is unacceptable. It should also be unacceptable to you. Homosexuals are part of a culture of decadence that is destroying our society.

Think about it.

Din Rodef · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:38:56 AM »

here's one reason to hate gays

Healthy people are sick of hearing about it..SICK OF IT

I really don't care what some mentally unstable pervert does in the privacy of his/her own bedroom. But I'm SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT

gay this and gay that....homosexual this and homosexual that...it's never ending...JUST SHUT UP...Don't homos understand they are going to get a backlash if they don't just shut up?

Hajar · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2007, 02:42:00 PM »

Din Rodef, its not just the homos that should shut up. Sex in general should be moderated. Its become so common and intergrated in the talk of many peoples everyday life that it has a big psychological impact. Its something that should be kept within and in the privacy of a persons home, not printed all over the internet.

Getting a backlash is what the homos want. Attention is part of the package and many people become homosexuals with the additional thought that they will be different and noticed more for who they are. Be it good or bad.

MassuhDGoodName · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2007, 04:34:14 PM »

Hajar: "...its not just the homos that should shut up..."

A talented writer recently offered this thought...

"...The "Love that dare not speak its name", has now become "The Love that will not shut its mouth" ! ..."

I agree with Hajar.

ALL SEX SHOULD BE KEPT IN THE CLOSET!