83% of White Jews voted for Osama

[Zionist Revolutionary]

"80% of frum Yidden voted for McCain!"

Then 20% of "frum" Jews in America are evil traitors.

[muman613]

Shalom,

It is from Pirkie Avos Chapter 3 Mishnah 2 which reads:

2. Rabbi Chanina, deputy to the kohanim, would say: Pray for the integrity of the government; for were it not for the fear of its authority, a man would swallow his neighbor alive.

[q_q_]

"80% of frum Yidden voted for McCain!"

Then 20% of "frum" Jews in America are evil traitors.

and greater than 50% of americans then.

It's silly to take statistics out of context.

That is what leftists often do. They often forget "relative/compared to whome/what"

[Dr. Dan]

why call them "white" Jews...Jews are Jews

[Ulli]

In my school time I had no education about this issue from nobody, but I felt in my heart, that it was wrong. Later I thought conservatism would save the world, but today I think the only way is to seperate myself from it (Socialism and the state).

I learned about Hayek and Friedman as well as Mises only before a short time. But althrough they were not very religious they have come to the right result.

I think I became a liberal in the same moment I became a believer and I realized, that the highest level we can reach in this world is at least from a human point of view is relative personal freedom. The access to the garden of eden is blocked by the Cherubs and the flame sword. We can not enter. Every attempt has ended in the exact opposite result. We should learn from it.

If we would make it the bible would proven wrong, because G-d says in 1. Mo. 3:17 ff that;

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art , and unto dust shalt thou return.

I have taken the quote from the King James version.

P.S: It is good, that the British communities are independent from the gouvernment. I thought it would be otherwise, because I read that the Queen is the head of the Angelikan Church. So I thought that the development would take the same way, like it is in Germany.

[Muck DeFuslims]

As usually happens when discussing liberals and conservatives, the lines become blurred and generalities that pigeonhole individuals and groups emerge.

Thomas Jefferson was certainly a liberal. The founding fathers were probably all classical liberals. At the same time they were extremely conservative on many issues, especially the scope of governmental power and the size of government.

What we identify as liberals today (those whom mistakenly identify themselves as progressives) are a far cry from classical Jeffersonian liberals.
These are people that almost universally want bigger and more powerful government and seem to think this is not incompatible with their professed desire to maximize personal liberties.

Anyway, as far as this thread goes, I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation as to why a supposedly intelligent group of people such as the Jews continually vote for and work to put the most leftist candidates into political office. At least not an explanation that satisfies me.

Then again, I just can't understand how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can be a liberal Democrat, this doesn't only apply to Jews.

[q_q_]

In my school time I had no education about this issue from nobody, but I felt in my heart, that it was wrong. Later I thought conservatism would save the world, but today I think the only way is to seperate myself from it (Socialism and the state).

I learned about Hayek and Friedman as well as Mises only before a short time. But althrough they were not very religious they have come to the right result.

I think I became a liberal in the same moment I became a believer and I realized, that the highest level we can reach in this world is at least from a human point of view is relative personal freedom. The access to the garden of eden is blocked by the Cherubs and the flame sword. We can not enter. Every attempt has ended in the exact opposite result. We should learn from it.

If we would make it the bible would proven wrong, because G-d says in 1. Mo. 3:17 ff that;

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art , and unto dust shalt thou return.

I have taken the quote from the King James version.

P.S: It is good, that the British communities are independent from the gouvernment. I thought it would be otherwise, because I read that the Queen is the head of the Angelikan Church. So I thought that the development would take the same way, like it is in Germany.

I can't imagine that the German Govt is causing disruption to how synagogues are run.  I spoke to a jew from germany some years ago(his father had gone there because of economic problems, and he has left).  He said they are incentivising jews to come there, but because of what germany had done, he couldn't stand being there, he just wanted to get out.

A prayer service can take place in a home or any building, a school, outdoors .. It would take a real communist regime to stop "synagogues"!!

That passage from Genesis can certainly bring one back to earth..

But does socialism really aim at a garden of eden scene(minus G-d)?

People still work in a socialist regime.

And it is possible that we are moving into the messianic era, as a natural thing. e.g. maybe people won't become sick.. because of new tech/medical enchancements. People won't die.    [1]

The passage you refer to, near there it writes of enmity/hatred between the snake and the woman and their offspring.  Well, nowadays most of us live away from snakes, so we got away from that one!

Maybe one day we will have solar powered vehicles to work the land. And we won't have to work.   A solar powered food generator would be good! Then G-d might say "sorry, this is too good for you, i'll send you to the garden of eden " ;-)  But that may be near the messianic era.

Another example of somebody getting around that passage.. are people so rich they are born with , to use the english expression, born with a silver spoon in their mouth , and don't have to work. Or cook! Maybe they sit on a goldmine, or they inherit lots of money.As well as a chef and maid and so on.
 

Generally, man has to work.. But this is true in the socialist system as well, surely.  He just doesn't have to work quite as much, and he doesn't get as much.

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messianism
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:

note for jews largely,
rambam writes of a messianic era coming naturally.

rabbi aryeh kaplan offers his opinion "handbook of jewish thought "(vol 1, I think), the explanation of tech/medical enchancements as a way it could occur naturally.

[jaime]

The Jews that voted for Osama are the scum of the earth. They still think Whites are the biggest anti-Semites when in fact it's the Blacks and Muslims. Osama's church was as anti-Jewish as the KKK but these dumb kikes still voted for him to counter so called white racism. They were the biggest supporters for Osama behind Blacks.

they are uninformed and reformed Jews or not religious at all.  they did not do their research like the rest of the morons in this country.  the night The Animal won, it showed Georgetown students jumping up and down, chanting the mantras and even one guy who took a magic marker and wrote O-BA-MA across his naked chest and kept lifting his shirt up in front of the cameras.  talk about a bunch of scary morons that will one day hold important jobs, i.e., lawyers, judges and politicians.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I know exactly why Jews are leftists. It's a long explanation but perfectly explains why Marxism is a Jewish phenomenon, resulting from centuries of persecution. I should write a paper about it since people, including Jews themselves, don't understand why they're leftists.

Nope, don't buy it. Jews become leftists because they hate being Jewish, not because they fear persecution. It is the left-wing, self-hating Jews who bring on anti-Semitism, after all. Karl Marx viciously turned on his fellow Jews. He was not acting out a "Jewish phenomenon".

[q_q_]

Herzl's secular zionism was to end persecution.
plan a)jews convert to christianity.
plan b)state of israel - jews no longer a persecuted minority.

they hate judaism they love goyim and fear goyim rejecting them, they want desperately to be accepted, to be loved by them.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I know exactly why Jews are leftists. It's a long explanation but perfectly explains why Marxism is a Jewish phenomenon, resulting from centuries of persecution. I should write a paper about it since people, including Jews themselves, don't understand why they're leftists.

Nope, don't buy it. Jews become leftists because they hate being Jewish, not because they fear persecution. It is the left-wing, self-hating Jews who bring on anti-Semitism, after all. Karl Marx viciously turned on his fellow Jews. He was not acting out a "Jewish phenomenon".

 No its a mixture. And Marx didn't turn on Jews, he was never facing them. (He was practically not a Jew at all. Didn't identify as such, wasn't raised as one either- was raised Catholic).
  The fear of persecution is a factor especially for people who don't observe. Why? Becuase one who doesn't have the "Higher Fear" which is the Fear of G-d, then they are much more exposed to "lower fears" which is fear of people, the gov. animals, ghosts, etc.
  Many Jews do fear their being persecution, and combined with their ignorance of Judaism, they feel that bringing everyone together, and not having divisions between nations, etc. is the correct thing to have and would bring peace (in a limited way they are correct, even Rav Kahane said in regards to Israel and Zionism that having a nation without the real purpose- of building a Holy nation in its land is stupid, racist, and pointless.)
 Also they see that voting left is better then right because the right is associated with evangelicals and religious people who have in the past persecuted particularly European Jews. So they have a natural antithesis for them.

[q_q_]

<snip>Marx didn't turn on Jews<snip>

He did write a book called "A world without jews"

Any jew in power, is almost always secular, and almost always turns on jews..
(they have to avert the claim that they are only for their own)

Marx is an extreme example, maybe a kind of father of them.