i really messed up this time good... i'm so stressed out over the kapo issue that i lost it this morning and didn't recognize my own post... please forgive me... read my final message to revava... it still applies despite my error and mess up... take care... nik.
this was written over at the revav site and appears again below in its proper sequence...
here's the original thread... (to follow below)... it was here all along and this morning i hit the wrong archive... so i did write this... and i did change my own m.o. for this time out... what can i say...? i'm seeing red over this kapo issue and i just went ballistic... and missed the right entry... doesn't matter though because i'm not sticking around here unless my entire "volunteer kapos" piece is restored in full... so i guess i'll never "see" you guys again... that's fine with me... i'm moving on... if one is not allowed to express his true convictions no matter how fiery... than what's the point...? if one is not able to sit and communicate without worry of censorship and/or banning... than why bother...? and of course the answers are... there is no point in doing so... and i absolutely will not bother any longer to try and get my message accross here... nuff' said... ta... nik.
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Quote from: menachembenyakov on February 13, 2007, 07:43:22 AM
" Only time will tell... It certainly made Olmert think twice though. "
There is no evidence that Olmert has thought at all.
Like olmert cares about the trauma! What olmert and company learned about amona is that they can do whatever they want and no one will lift a finger and that he will not have a hard time finding Jew haters to carry out his gov's dirty work. Best not to be ignorant and think that amona has disuaded the gov from further expulsions.
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Not "dissuaded," neccessarily, but certainly it made them tink twice. The mess from that incident alone took months to get cleared up (and people still aren't over it), and recruited more "right wing extremists" to "our" camp than ever before. And why do you think Olmert and Peretz haven't uprooted any other communities for so long (I hope I'm not speaking too soon though chas vechalila)?
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Monday February 19, 2007 - Protest rally for Jonathan Pollard
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Monday, FEBRUARY 19, 2007 Adar 1, 5767, 6:00 pm
Protest rally for Jonathan Pollard opposite the Prime Minister's residence at Kikar Paris, Jerusalem
Prime Minister Olmert is scheduled to meet with American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Abu Mazen next Monday February 19, 2007, at his residence in Jerusalem. Olmert's invitation to Condoleeza Rice and Abu Mazan has been set to coordinate the release of thousands of PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi terrorists and murderers from Israeli prisons, at the explicit request of the Americans.
JUSTICE4JP and THE COMMITTEE TO BRING JONATHAN POLLARD HOME
invite you to join our protest. Esther Pollard will be there. She and Jonathan need your support.
For further information call 054-6437218 or visit our web sites:
http://www.freepollard.org (Hebrew) and
http://www.jonathanpollard.org (English)
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The facts are there.. 21 years of vigils and singing and letters have acomplished NOTHING.
You can argue what you want about legalities etc.. but if you call yourself as kahanist.. then the road blocking is the answer.
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Quote from: elchonon on February 15, 2007, 08:26:33 AM
The facts are there.. 21 years of vigils and singing and letters have acomplished NOTHING.
You can argue what you want about legalities etc.. but if you call yourself as kahanist.. then the road blocking is the answer.
Elchonon this one is for you, Enjoy.
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thats why I dont call myself a "kahanist" (dont like to block roads)
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Quote from: David Ha'Ivri on February 15, 2007, 12:09:39 PM
Quote from: elchonon on February 15, 2007, 08:26:33 AM
The facts are there.. 21 years of vigils and singing and letters have acomplished NOTHING.
You can argue what you want about legalities etc.. but if you call yourself as kahanist.. then the road blocking is the answer.
Elchonon this one is for you, Enjoy.
I don't get it.. it's US Marines in Iraq on their daily business.
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Quote from: doom777 on February 15, 2007, 04:49:52 PM
I don't get it.. it's US Marines in Iraq on their daily business.
Right "the Few and the proud", listen to the music in the background.
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Well we are preparing for round 2!
Another round of protests are being planned for one month from tomorrow. March 18th - 28th of Adar.
Hopefully this will draw bigger crowds than the last time.
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Hello kiddies, well it's been 21 years, true. However, poor Jonathan, a true patriot, is languishing in jail for one and only one reason, HE"S A JEW - like me and you! We'd get the same treatment and nothing more. Doesn't anyone realize that all the presidents in office since Pollard was incarcerated are all tied to the CFR and Vatican cabal who wield the sword (or Yedayim shel) of Esav in the world!! The pitiful reality is that anti-Zionism and it's snif, anti-Semitism, has been the sine qua non of the nations since 1975. They feel very comfortable relating to us in that way. No way in the world is there any compulsion for the facist illegally-elected, nazi-descendent King George to grant amnesty to a lowly Jew.
No, holy brothers and sisters, as heartrenching as it seems, justice for one of our own does not exist in this un-promised land (nor in our own land for that matter). Only Moshiach can extricate us from this reprehensible, humiliating, oppressive situation us Yankeles find ourseleves in during this long Golus. By all means, please continue to pray, send letters, call the White House, or whatever. But know, it's more for us than it is for him.
To recap, there are only three ways Jonathan is going to leave prison:
1. In a coffin
2. Through a prison break (isn't that a great Fox 11 show?)
3. Moshiach
I'll take #3.
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Nik, IMHO you are wrong. I think Bush would free him if Olmert would have asked or if piglet would have asked, Clinton would have freed him if barak or bibi would have asked (under the table release of course) but truthfully no Israeli politician wants Pollard out or back cause he'd be a detractor and a snitch in their eyes. If Pollard were released publically the shabak would probably eliminate him in a matter of weeks kinda like they did with B. Kahane (you know "died in terror attack"-read state helped terror attack)
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just delete or move after it registers in my archive... i will be back in a moment with a further piece and from now on i am here to stay... please G-d... i gave revava the benefit of the doubt after my last banning... but not this time.... and never again... nik. be back in a sec. here...
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1 General Category / General Discussion / Re: censored and banned yet again... on: Today at 10:25:12 AM
menachem... first you write me privately saying you are reading my posts with interest and now youtell me publicly to go away... you are a hypocrit my friend... and a plant... nik...
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2 General Category / General Discussion / Re: censored and banned yet again... on: Today at 10:23:33 AM
when you can remove by fiat the hottest topic going on your board it only harms yourselves... it exposes you all for the utter frauds that you are... nik. in defiance... out!!!!
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3 General Category / General Discussion / censored and banned yet again... on: Today at 10:20:25 AM
are you kidding me...? this i must have really struck a chord and a very sensitive nerve at that... now i know the truth david... c'est la vie... aurvoir... i wear your unfair treatment and scornful silencing like a badge of glory... ta... nik. proudly...over and out!!!!
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4 General Category / General Discussion / Re: They're Still Here on: Today at 01:32:19 AM
and you have much too much faith in the slime who rule over our land... nik.
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5 General Category / General Discussion / Re: "Jewish" Agency should be renamed to Capo Agency on: Today at 01:31:00 AM
he was the next false messiah after shabatai tzvi... he also went to turkey... i don't think he converted to islam... but many of his family later converted to catholicism... but he and shabatai tvi are the precursors of the jewish-european reform judaism movement... he lived in the 1700's... shabatai tzvi was in the late 1600's... look them up on line... yemach shemo v'zichro l'olam va'ed to both of these slime... nik.
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6 General Category / General Discussion / Re: They're Still Here/and not going nowhere... on: June 26, 2007, 03:10:16 PM
and soon the slime in israel will be joined at the hip by the forces of the super-slime and go and expel what's left of yesha and throw them all into these huge camps they are erecting which will then be guarded by good ol' uncle sam curtesy of all of our hard-earned u.s. taxpayer dollars... (G-d forbid)... ain't life just grand...? nik. in-the-thick... out...
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7 General Category / General Discussion / Re: They're Still Here on: June 26, 2007, 01:32:13 PM
they already have... fool... n.
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8 General Category / General Discussion / Re: "Jewish" Agency should be renamed to Capo Agency/ of greater rome... on: June 26, 2007, 01:03:58 PM
that's right... stop trying to suck-up to the wzo or any other secular zionist organization... joining them or voting in their elections is like working for shabtai tzvi and jacob frank... and feeding into the plans of the vatican... it's satanic like they all are... nik. out...
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9 General Category / General Discussion / Re: They're Still Here/shhh!!!! not so loud... you might wake someone up... on: June 26, 2007, 02:36:11 AM
i know you guys will never do this because you are all so narrow-minded... but barry chamish deals with the presence of american troops in israel on a special enormous base (i forget exactly where) somewhere along the "green line" replete with a huge american flag flying atop it... he has pics and everything in "bye, bye gaza" but none of you super genius' would even venture to take a look-see... you all would rather trash him and pontificate upon what little knowledge you actually have on this subject and not trouble yourselves to go out and do a little digging... but hey that's fine by me folks... and when armaggedon comes... chas v'shalom... you can all crawl under the covers a little snugger and wish the mean american conqueror away... that's the way guys... atta boys!!! ostrich judaism to the bitter end... good night and sleep tight... i'll turn out the light for you on my way out... shhh! i'll tippie-toe.... ta... nik. (in a whisper... shhhh!!!!) out...
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10 General Category / General Discussion / Re: "the wit and wisdom of rabbi meir kahane..." an unsolicited review... on: March 11, 2007, 04:33:43 AM
thank you both... n.
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11 General Category / General Discussion / Re: "let my brother go..." on: March 11, 2007, 04:31:16 AM
that's right... and that's because his spiritual descendants rule this land for the last 100+ years at least... nik. out...
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12 General Category / General Discussion / "the wit and wisdom of rabbi meir kahane..." an unsolicited review... on: March 09, 2007, 02:38:31 PM
lenny... i just completed your latest offering... great job... good book... there are however a few errors in syntax and missing words here or there... and also that when you quote a chapter of something you should also list the relevant verse or verses referenced... all of which of course are very easily to correct for future editions... but besides these minor flaws and imperfections the book is fabulous... yasher koach...
that said two points need to be mentioned here and now...
first... the book's brief overview and bio of rav meir's life alone is invaluable... however for me the book's few excerpts from rav meir's hy"d knesset speeches were the highlight of the book and underscore how crucial is the vital necessity of getting them out to the english speaking jewish world... i have the hebrew version but i know my hebrew is probably not good enough to really and fully grasp their message and content... please... please... translate them soon... if even the slime (dati mks included in this term) who walked-out on him whenever he rose to speak knew how powerfully great and rivitting his speeches all were that they would listen to them from the hallways... what does that say about the magnitude of the effect they will have upon good and decent jews of all stripes around the globe if only we can get them into their hands...?
secondly... there needs to be a vol.2... a sequel... this is much too precious a legacy to let lay with just one volume... there must have been plenty of other anecdotes which you left out for whatever reasons... here are 11 more which i know of... two of which i was personally witness to myself (and in one i was even the subject of the maesa as well)...
1) the one about how when he was just 9 or 10 he stayed in at recess and drew a map of aushwitz and the raillines leading into it... explaining to the shocked teacher with tears in his eyes... "if only they would bomb the railways many jews could still be saved..."
2) how when still a boy he already knew he wanted to be prime minister of israel... and his younger brother nachman once asked him: "you're going to be prime minister one day... but what will i do...?" to wit meir responded: " i have a very important job for you to do... you will be in charge of the mimeograph machine getting out all of our announcements!"
3) and the time he came home to find his brother crying on the front step having been bullied by a goy who also then stole his bike from him... meir became angry and proceeded to pummel the poor lad himself saying: "you let a goy do this to you... how could you...? what a chillul Hashem!" and he gave it to his brother for that...
4) next... a rabbi (av-beit din) friend of mine here in l.a. once told me a story which occurred while he was sitting on the beit din of tel aviv... one day he learned that rav meir was going to speak that morning at tel aviv university so he went on over to catch his speech... he told me rav meir came in to unruly hoots and hollers and jeers of derision from both the left-liberal jewish students as well as from the many arab students in attendance... he got up on stage and stepped up to the microphone and said: "boker tov yehudim v'k'lavim!" ("good morning jews and dogs")... and that's all he got a chance to to say because with those opening words he ignited a riot as absolute pandemonium erupted in the hall ending all hopes for him to be able to continue and finish his address... i guess given his audience that morning he felt this riot would be the best outcome he could hope for and so he took his shot and touched it off on purpose... and utilized the ensuing chaos to deliver his message that day...
5) and while we are on the subject of dogs... rav meir was once interviewed and he was asked if he really believed the arabs are dogs and not human...? he said: "of course not... but i know if i say it i will get front page coverage and thus much greater publicity for my transfer policy (which is the calling for the immediate booting out of all arabs from eretz yisroel and also including the irreversible final annexation of all of the west bank, golan heights and gaza territories)..." he added that it was the same thing as his other demonstration and campaign for the freedom of soviet jewry... "where i knew that resorting to violence against the soviets was the only recourse which would take the news of our protest movement for the release of soviet jews off of the back pages of the ny times and get their plight put onto the first page... column one... above the fold... where it deserved to belong..."
6) and the time when he was enroute by car to or from a parlor meeting or rally where everytime they passed by an arab cemetary the rabbi would shake his head and sigh... saying under his breath... "tch... what a shame..." or "too bad..." until someone with him was finally compelled to ask... "are you so sorry for arab deaths...?" and he chuckled and responded: "no... i'm just chagrined there aren't more of them in those graveyards!" (that then there would be much less terrorism against yidden)...
7) and the one where he was asked by a reporter: "rabbi... it says in YOUR bible that one day the nations will 'beat their swords into plowshares' (isaiah:2:4) aren't you in favor of that...?" to wit he replied: "of course i am... but we're going last!"
rabbi tzvi block of Torat Hashem (then aish hatorah of north hollywood)... a long time friend, talmid, colleague and supporter of the rav here in l.a. from whom i got most of these gems... once told me that rav meir was many times his "scholar-in-residence" for shabatonim he held... and that every single time without fail when the rush was on to finish cooking and preparing erev shabat the rav would pitch in... donning an apron and carrying trays from the oven and the like... and on shabat itself he would even assist with the serving and the clearing of the food...
9) as some of you may know... before his death he was interviewed as part of a documentary/drama starring faye dunaway... "double-edged sword..." roughly the jane peters story... the author of the excellent work and must read... "from time immemorial..." jane came to israel a liberal american civil-rights journalist from toronto, canada... the movie depicts (sort of) the true story of how she came to israel to write about the plight of the "poor" PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis and how monstrous israel was treating them... thinking it was the same kind of story as the abuses the blacks suffered in the american south... she was quickly disuaded from this notion and became aware of all the lies and propaganda being spewed forth by the arab world... in the movie she interviews several major figures right and left... jewish and arab on the issue of the crisis in the middle east... everyone got 4 clips... the rav only three because he was murdered during the making of the film... i'll have to look up the exact transcript to fill-in the details (after shabat) but here are the three superb points i believe the rav made...
a) "the middle east is not the mid-west where people can iron out their differences over coffee, tea and cake... this is a very rough neighborhood and things are decided and resolved here by other means..."
b) "the lesson taught out from the vietnam war is crystal clear... 'if you can't or won't hate your enemy... you can and will never win the war...'"
c) "i am not a racist... i do not hate the arabs because they are arabs... THAT would be racism... i hate them because they hate me and wish to kill me and steal my land from me... this hatred of mine is thus a normal response of self-defence and the presence of a healthy and functional self-preservation instinct kicking in..."
and finally the two that i am a party to myself...
10) sometime in 1989... i was once driving down beverly blvd. in the fairfax area of l.a. when i looked up at a billboard on the northwest corner of fairfax avenue diagonally across from cbs studios... and the sign read: "rabbi kahane is coming to l.a. next week to tell you why your local jewish federation spends your contributions on arabs instead of on jews in israel..."
and last but certainly not least... (for me anyways)...
11) rabbi kahane did not only win over jews for judaism along his way... his pursuasive and moving addresses got many jews to "convert" politically as well... myself included... i was already a b.t. of some 13 years or so when i heard him speak on the campus i was doing kiruv on... cal state northridge... in may of '88... he came to campus in a swirl of controversy and wild arab and liberal protest... 400 people showed up to hear him speak... i was then (sadly) very misguided and still thought that we should "just all give peace a chance..." and that "all you need is love..." could and would somehow still do the trick... even before i got my chance to face him down that day... a bunch of 5 or 6 arabs in the crowd whom i had been in conference with that year on campus attempting to bring shalom... (it was an utter waste of time... as so many of them could not even look at me... their hatred being so palpable... let alone talk with me about peace and i later found out that all year long they had been ripping down all of my fliers announcing my classes and programs)... anyway... they all stood in the middle of his speech and yelled out to the crowd to follow them in walking out on the rabbi... (no one went with them) but the rav called out after them as they departed... "AH... IT'S SO GOOD TO BE A WINNER... THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO BUT PATHETICALLY STAGE A WALK-OUT... AND YOU BETTER NOT START UP WITH US EVER AGAIN OR NEXT TIME WE'LL LIBERATE EVEN MORE OF OUR LAND FROM YOU ALL!!!"
MAN... YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE SHOCK ON ALL THOSE YOUNG JEWISH FACES LOOKING UP AT HIM.. THEY WERE STUNNED IN UTTER DISBELIEF AT HIS COURAGE AND MOXIE...WELL! I TELL YOU THEY NEVER KNEW A RABBI COULD BE SUCH A GIBOR!!!... for you see they just didn't make rabbis like him from where they came from.. to put it bluntly... rabbis from their neck of the woods had never demonstrated such cahones in all of their lives!!!... you could see they were just completely blown-away by this exchange...
even still when my turn finally came to speak out and voice my protest... i stood angrily waving in the air a letter i had addressed to him which was printed the next day in the school paper... i challenged him that he was misrepresenting judaism (boy do i have alot of tshuvah to do)... i said in my salvo and emotionally-charged argument... "how can you talk of war and resort to violence and throw all the arabs out of israel... when avraham avinu taught the concept of the brotherhood of man to the world...?" (i recived a loud ovasion)....
rav meir glowered down at me and rejoined...thundering down at me... his eyes blazing with fire: "AVRAHAM AVINU...? WHEN THEY CAME AND CAPTURED HIS NEPHEW LOT... HE WENT OUT TO.... WAR AGAINST THEM AND DESTROYED EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!!"
and with that retort i just sat back down in my chair again... i was through... you could put a fork in me... my premise had just been completely and utterly obliterated... i went up to him later after it was all over and i asked him why the gedolim didn't hold by him... his answer was succinct and exactly to the point and is the absolute truth... emet l'amita... he said: "because they are not zionists..."
and that my friends is the meir kahane i got to know... up close and personal... a few weeks later i attended his forthcoming dinner at the hilton hotel in beverly hills as an uninvited guest... people were talking to me about my stand-off with the rabbi... they were all chuckling over how i had gone from a rabid opponent to a "born-again" kahanist... in truth i hadn't really yet but they were enjoying the moment and the story so much that i just let it go... i let them have their fun... i spoke with rav meir after that briefly... in truth i had been moved... visibly shaken from my previous postions by the debate with him... but i was not all the way there yet... but from that encounter i had gone on to read many of his books and had written him a long letter with many questions for him... he told me he would send me a taped reply to them... but sadly i guess he never got around to it... good shabat all... nik. out...
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13 General Category / General Discussion / "let my brother go..." on: March 07, 2007, 05:27:11 PM
last night at a little dive in the pico/robertson area of l.a. called "the joint..." midnight music producer stuart wax hosted a protest concert on behalf of jonathan pollard... it was a small crowd that turned out for the only briefly advertised event... and on a random tuesday night to boot... but the concert's message still had an impact as a great many of l.a.'s major jewish music talent were in attendance and performed... some penning songs for pollard's release just for the occassion...
david haivri presently in town on a u.s. speaking tour also was there and spoke of the necessity to hold the israeli government and american-jewish "leadership" (sic) accountable for abandoning jonathan... a fallen comrade... on the field of battle... and that by their 20+ years of silence they have done a grave injustice to all jews everywhere as it highlights a callous lack of care, sensitivity and compassion for a true jewish hero... as david phrased it..."our biggest jewish hero alive today..." as he continued... "we in israel all owe our lives to him for what he did for us back in the mid-80's..."
and let's be clear folks... he is innocent of the crimes he was accused of committing... he is currently serving a 23rd year of a life-sentence for having caused the deaths of some 17 or so u.s. agents in eastern europe when all along these americans died because of the seditious espionage of robert hansen and aldridge ames... both now in prison for spying for the soviet union...
also to be thrown into the mix here is the fact that the vital life-saving information about iraqi, syrian and libyan chemical and/or nuclear weapons development and capability in the early 80's ALL was information that was supposed to be passed onto israeli government and military authorities but was deliberately withheld and not exchanged as per a 1983 intelligence-sharing accord signed between then-president reagan and then-prime minister shamir...
the one and only reason that jonathan is still incarcerated for a non-crime done with a supposedly friendly (treatied) ally is because "he knows where all the bodies are buried..." he possesses first-hand knowledge of all the real crimes committed by former and current high-ranking israeli and american government officials... and this is the real truth folks... certainly the pollard affair is one of the greatest travesties and mis-carriages of justice in u.s. history topped only by the rosenberg state-executions and murders in the 50's... (as an aside... you will surely notice that both of these glaring examples of black-eye-giving cases to the reputation of u.s. jurisprudence were perpetrated solely against the american-jewish community and upon noone else)...
and so in conclusion... as david privately summed up for us after the concert... "don't feel that this event was a failure because of the low turn-out... not at all... this event marks perhaps the first protest-concert-demonstration of its kind anywhere in the world outside of israel on behalf of pollard... and for this alone it was a great success... i felt like crying watching these jewish artists and activists perform and take part in this event tonight in such a selfless fashion... yasher koach to all who were involved..." nik. out...
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14 General Category / General Discussion / public apology to david, yisroel and lenny... on: March 07, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
i spoke with david here in l.a. last night and he cleared up for me the circumstances of my banning awhile back... he explained to me that he was out of the loop... tied up with serving his community-service rap and had no knowledge of and gave no approval of the action taken against me... i had assumed he and you all had since i did not hear from the three of you when i requested an explanation and/or an intercession...
from that initial misunderstanding on my part i was guilty of opening myself up to believing all of the loshon hora spoken of you three on other sites... really i see now that it was all rechilut and motzei-shem-ra as clearly most of these allegations are just innuendo and pashut untrue to begin with...
to wit i now humbly apologize and ask mechila from the three of you... i said some pretty unkind things against you all and against the revava organization in general on another site by way of registering my shock, outrage and utter dismay over any or all of the things being bandied about there that they just might possibly be true... all of which i now thoroughly regret and see how wrong i was... all of my acceptance of the likelihood of those charges stemmed from my believing that david and yisroel had approved or ordered my banning and that while on previous occassions and at other such unfair and intolerable offences against me they had seen fit to reverse them... but since this time they had not done so and were not even responding to my personal appeals to them to do so i naturally assumed the worst.. that this time the "real truth" was coming out... i just couldn't accept that a rogue moderator or two full of their own sense of power and self-importance were responsible for singling me out for so much grief on their own authority... (and now that this is really the case... this is an issue that must be addressed here... but another time)... otherwise i assure you all that i never... ever... would have entertained such scurrilious slanders against your character and true motivations... which i see now are completely and purely l'shaim shemayim... and have been all along...
so again... please accept my sincere apology...
and everyone here should take further note that i am doing this solely on my own volition for david neither requested this of me nor has had any prior knowledge that i was about to take this course of action... i look forward to further involvement in the revava movement and strongly value my friendship with the three of you... take care... and G-d bless... sincerely... nikmatdam
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15 General Category / General Discussion / Re: I believe: on: March 06, 2007, 08:47:10 PM
kol hator...
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