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I like this lesson of Rabbi Mizrachi
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 23, 2008, 02:01:10 PM ---What what what ?! I am listening to the beginning and he says one reason for antisemitism is genetic.
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Manytimes it is hard for Jews to believe, but today I went on StørmFrønt (first time reading a little of what they were saying), and I'm like are these people for real? And the sad thing is that their are like 2,000 active users on. Just look at the hatred, it is unbelievable. Even in their arguments one person says Communism is a Jewish system and its bad, and then another says- no capitalism is the worst and it's made by the Jews, etc. etc. Soo much nonsense and hate, I cant believe it. They actually blame the Talmud for communism??? and then blame the Talmud for Capitalism and how it inspires greed (I guess they havn't read about charity and doing acts of kindness, Acting justly, etc.). Whatever it is sad, if one doesn't have faith in G-d, it can be depressing (that's why we often see some Jews trying to appease non-Jews). - The funny thing about SF is that they want Jews to all go to Israel.
But it is not only SF and other's like that. Many times unfortunatly, we do encounter, special* negative attitudes, and emphasis of Jews doing wrongdoings. And it doesn't matter if the label is - "Leftist Jews" or whatever Jews, bottom line is that the word Jews or Jew is used too often and out of proportion when it comes to negativity. (And that is for 2 reasons- 1 becuase Jews must live up to a higher standard, and deep down everyone acknowledges the uniqueness of Jews and 2- Becuase it is a natural bias agains't Jews that many have, and even though the person or group might be correct in that particular case, overall they are incorrect and overall much more negative emphasis is stressed on some Jews doing wrong then anyone else.
Harzel:
"Esav hates Jacob" doesn't imply a genetic reason. Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization despite the fact that Esav himself is a very close keen of the Jews. If someone believes that all the Goyim (except those who are actually Jews by blood as the Rabbi suggested) are anti-semite by genetics there are several very difficult logical conclusions:
1. over 90% of men have no free choice, their genetics dictates them to hate Jews and basically damn themselves to oblivion.
2. Jews must not accept any converts, in fact they must revoke the convert status from as many Jews as they can.
3. The Jews should conduct extensive genetics tests in order to weed out all the erev-rav and other hitch hikers that merged into our people through history.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 25, 2008, 07:20:52 AM --- Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization
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Actually the Roman's. (and the barbarians- aka Germany.)
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 25, 2008, 07:20:52 AM ---"Esav hates Jacob" doesn't imply a genetic reason. Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization despite the fact that Esav himself is a very close keen of the Jews. If someone believes that all the Goyim (except those who are actually Jews by blood as the Rabbi suggested) are anti-semite by genetics there are several very difficult logical conclusions:
1. over 90% of men have no free choice, their genetics dictates them to hate Jews and basically damn themselves to oblivion.
2. Jews must not accept any converts, in fact they must revoke the convert status from as many Jews as they can.
3. The Jews should conduct extensive genetics tests in order to weed out all the erev-rav and other hitch hikers that merged into our people through history.
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You're thinking of biological "genetics" or "bloodlines." I'm talking about spiritual identities of other nations. I also said nothing about free will. There is free will. And most goyim in general choose to hate Jews. Of course, there are exceptions.
q_q_:
They would resent us being the chosen people. i.e. nothing to do with "what we do". It's for who we are and there is nothing we can do about it.
Zelhar. Don't take rabbi mizrachi too scientifically. He is israeli and doesn't talk in a sophisticated or intellectual way.
He was referring to reasons that we can do nothing about. Who we are.
What he said is really important common sense that any jew should know. And the general rule that Esau hates Jacob is clear from the Torah and from jewish history.
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