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Offline Joe Gutfeld

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Don't fear God
« on: February 05, 2007, 07:26:37 PM »
I disagree with Chaim on this week's Jewish task force show.  If God as he says is our father, why should we fear him.  I also didn't like what he said that God created the holocaust.  The Nazis did that not god.  The reason for it was not because the Jews in Europe didn't want to go to Israel, but because they didn't fear Hitler when he decided to kill every Jew in the world.  That's the truth not a spite that god made on the jews who didn't leave for isearal.  What about the jews who live in the US.  Are the Jews who live in the US stupid too?

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 10:29:59 PM »
I disagree with Chaim on this week's Jewish task force show.  If G-d as he says is our father, why should we fear him.  I also didn't like what he said that G-d created the holocaust.  The Nazis did that not G-d.  The reason for it was not because the Jews in Europe didn't want to go to Israel, but because they didn't fear Hitler when he decided to kill every Jew in the world.  That's the truth not a spite that G-d made on the jews who didn't leave for isearal.  What about the jews who live in the US.  Are the Jews who live in the US stupid too?

I fear the consequences disobeying G-d. That is why I would never murder, rape, covet my neighbor's wife, dishonor my mother and father, or desecrate G-d's name. Obviously I know murder and rape are crimes but what really prevents me from doing these evil things is not a civil code. It is my soul.

He never said that G-d created the Holocaust. That's foolish. The German Nazis and their collaborators were chiefly responsible. However, Chaim did accurately state that if the Jews in Europe had gone to the land of Israel when they had the chance, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust. This is the truth and there are many Jews who get turned off by this message. I'm not trying to criticize you Joe, but many people hear only what they want to hear or believe only what they want to believe about the years leading up to the Holocaust. Chaim has been for years very vocal on these important issues. On 'ask JTF', he expands on this idea some more and recommended scholarly books for people to read if they are interested about these topics. 

While many Jews in Europe were ignorant of the looming threat, a great many did not get to hear the message from Jabotinsky- thanks to the establishment Jews (Weizmann, Ben-Gurion, American groups etc...). Chaim is devoted to getting the message out about the Jewish establishment and the bolshevik New World Order elitists with their multinational corporate allies who will sell us out to the Muslims and the 3rd world filth.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 11:45:25 PM »
I disagree with Chaim on this week's Jewish task force show.  If G-d as he says is our father, why should we fear him.

Joe, it is not Chaim's opinion.  The Tanak teaches that God is our Father:

Psalm 10:14

But you, O God, do see trouble and grief; you consider it to take it in hand.
The victim commits himself to you; you are the helper of the fatherless.

Pslam 68:5

A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation


Hosea 14:3

Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods'
to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion."

Psalm 27:10

Though my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will receive me.

We do not have to be afraid of God but there should be a reverence.  There is a difference between being afraid and showing reverence!


Isaiah 62:1 -  For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burns.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 09:36:51 PM »
It is his view.  I disagree with him totally.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 12:37:37 PM »
God does not punish us becuse We decided where to live.  Not him.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 10:12:54 PM »
That's right

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2007, 02:01:32 AM »
2000 years in Diaspora and ya don't fear Hashem yet?

Fear of him is the only thing that keeps me at JTF...otherwise I'd still be bangin blonde porno star girls in tha ole million dollar pad right 'bout now

Everybody has a different "moment of clarity"...maybe yours won't come for some time yet.

Mine came when I realized that I was surrounded by 500 thousand Mexicans that didn't speak my language....and they just seemed to pop up out of nowhere....That's when I realized that the man upstairs means business.
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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 10:04:45 AM »

I'd still be bangin blonde porno star girls in tha ole million dollar pad right 'bout now.



Go back to the porn stars.  Yi mach schmo.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 05:46:17 PM »
That's right

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 06:50:00 PM »
wow, tough crowd  ;D


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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2007, 06:56:35 PM »
OK - back on Topic

Fear Hashem

Chaim is right

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2007, 07:06:02 PM »
Are the Jews who live in the US stupid too?

Only if you stay here

There isn't much time left. I say that out of very serious concern for the Jewish community.

Massive 3rd world immigration to America is causing a demographic shift that will be very harmful to the American Jewish community. The only reason America has been safe fo Jews for so long is because of the White Christian European majority. When that majority vanishes, America will no longer be a safe place for Jews. The 3rd worlders, once they become powerful enough, will launch their own pograms and ethnic cleansing campaigns.

But it gets worse than that.

Since most prominent American Jewish figures in politics and entertainment have openly supported multi-culturalism and massive 3rd world immigration to America...most White Christian Americans will view the presence of Jews as hostile to their own interests. Jews will be viewed by whites as collaborators with the 3rd world invaders.

Listen very closely when Chaim warns that Jews must return to Israel or fear the wrath of Hashem. The only way to avoid a future holocaust in America is to make Aliyah. Chaim is warning....but is anybody really  listening?

Fear Hashem
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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2007, 07:14:38 PM »
I don't fear god.  I think he is a jerk.  If God is so great, how come he let 6 million Jews die in the camps.  I don't buy Chaim's reason for it.  He said that the reason they died in the camps, was because they wouldn't go to Israel when Hitler rose to power.  I don't think so.  They just didn't think that Hitler was a threat.

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Re: Don't fear G-d
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2007, 07:26:49 PM »
I don't fear G-d.  I think he is a jerk.  If G-d is so great, how come he let 6 million Jews die in the camps.  I don't buy Chaim's reason for it.  He said that the reason they died in the camps, was because they wouldn't go to Israel when Hitler rose to power.  I don't think so.  They just didn't think that Hitler was a threat.

But why didn't the Jews in Europe view Hitler as a threat?

What made them disregard Hitler and the Nazis?

The Jews in Europe were comfortable in their lives. They didn't want to move to Israel. They had accumulated business, property, status and wealth.

The Diaspora was supposed to be punishment...not a vacation.

When the Nazis began to rise to power and advertise their intentions for a "Final Solution"...the Jews in Europe disregarded the Nazi threat because they also disregarded the punishment of Diaspora.

If they had remembered their true purpose...they would have seen the threat RIGHT AWAY.

But, they had forgotten their true purpose...and that is why they never saw the threat coming. They intentionally ignored the threat...just like they intentionally ignored their purpose.

The same thing that happend to Jews in Europe during the 1930s is happening to Jews in America right now. Many American Jews have forgotten their true purpose. They are comfortable in their lives. They have forgotten that the Diaspora is punishment. Hashem has given American Jews almost 60s years since the creation of Israel to get out of America. Soon, if the Jews don't leave willingly...I fear Hashem will use force to make Jews return to Israel. That "force" may come in the form of the 3rd world invasion of America.