Torah and Jewish Idea > Torah and Jewish Idea
Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
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--- Quote from: muman613 on December 18, 2008, 01:10:26 PM ---Zelhar,
As someone here in another thread posted it is common for Orthodox strains of Judaism to take up what appears to be an 'anti-zionist' stance. What this really is is opposition to a 'Secular State of Israel'. All strains of Judaism, especially Chassidic strains, are ZIONIST in the sense that they envision the future with Jews in Israel, run as a Torah state. This is what our Prophets foresaw, <snip>
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what you said there is confused.
But who is the someone that you refer to?
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 18, 2008, 05:50:45 AM ---You perhaps. But it's not a logical sensible way of doing things.
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I am so sorry, I forgot you are the only person on the forum who uses logic!
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
Muman and Tzvi, correct me if I am wrong, but do Noahides accept the whole Torah? I thought they just accept the Seven Laws.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: ~Hanna~ on December 18, 2008, 05:40:18 AM ---Please explain....this Charismatic thing....cuz the Christians have Charismatic's too.....so I would like to know.
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Charismatics are members of an established monotheistic, Biblical faith (Christianity or Judaism) who, albeit being theologically orthodox, are more experientially and "Spirit"--oriented than their brethren in the same faiths. They emphasize joy, celebration, G-d's love, and welcoming/outreaching to all fellow Christians and Jews more than doctrinal matters. In Christianity, the Pentecostal (like Assemblies of G-d, which is Sarah Palin's church) and Calvary Chapel denominations are "charismatic". In Judaism, the Lubavitch/Chabad and Breslov Chasidim movements are "charismatic".
One thing to note is that the charismatic Christians are especially likely to be strong Zionists.
If one wants to discuss Nazi religions, you could probably call the Sufis/Dervishes "charismatic Muslims", but I prefer not to pollute the term by applying it to devil-worship.
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--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 01:30:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 18, 2008, 05:50:45 AM ---You perhaps. But it's not a logical sensible way of doing things.
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I am so sorry, I forgot you are the only person on the forum who uses logic!
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KahaneBT is pretty good, and quite a regular poster on torah subjects, though he's not in this thread.
One has to be really bad to make a mess of this.. and many are really bad.
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