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q_q_:
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--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 22, 2008, 09:38:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zelhar on December 22, 2008, 03:30:51 PM ---
--- Quote ---Lisa is quite sensible, and certainly is never crazy.
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Dude, you should really tune up your compliment scale, I mean, seriously.... :o
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I don't compliment people. It was more a statement about others here(including you), that you don't reach that criteria(on this subject).
I should point out though, your suggestion to him was so crazy , it was -almost- too crazy to be dangerous. And at least in your case, you don't normally go around giving advice to people on this subject, and you don't have any particularly strange qualities as others do, so you don't turn out to be a repeat offender.
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Yes q_q_ is the judge and jury of all JTF members. His ego is beyond calculation...
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beyond your calculations perhaps.
talking of ego though
"muman613 - MUMAN LIVES! 'MORE THAN HUMAN'"
!!!
✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 22, 2008, 02:13:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hindu Zionist on December 22, 2008, 09:33:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lisa on December 20, 2008, 07:22:36 PM ---What if Hindu Zionist were to read the book "Judaism For Dummies?"
http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Dummies-Ted-Falcon/dp/0764552996
There's also "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Judaism."
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Understanding-Judaism/dp/159257131X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_k2a_3_txt/179-1484663-3532726?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-2&pf_rd_r=10VP48SS3FWE3Z66Q01M&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=304485601&pf_rd_i=0764552996
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i'm got this book off the shelf... if i'm not able to understand any concept,i would ask the questions here. q_q i hope you dont mind.
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I would be suspicious of a book about judaism by "Nicholas"!! How about a book by Santa Claus.. ;-)
Nicholas is a very christian name . Santa Claus, also known as Saint Nicholas
Having no book is better than having an inaccurate one. There are one or two jews called paul peter or nicholas, but they don't usually write books on judaism, not one that is likely to be much good anyway.
Lisa is quite sensible, and certainly is never crazy.
The books Lisa recommended are good ones. I have also read that the second one is good ("The Complete Idiot's Guide To Judaism." by Rabbi Benjamin Blech)
The problem isn't really anything you are doing, it's that some people here are referring you to things that are inappropriate(for reasons mentioned). Things that are intended for jews..
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hmm Interesting about that Nicholas thing. I will be careful with this book. and yes i think i should buy those book Lisa mentioned.
q_q, i have a feeling that the holy Jewish books are for whole humanity and not just for jews to refer. Also i do not get offended if there is written anything about other religions being false and Judaism being the only True one. Also i do not mind if there is written anything against idolators. Because, Hinduism never mentions it self to be a true religion, it asks us to try to get knowledge to know the truth. secondly, It seems we are idolators but we are not.The biggest idolators are muslims. They kiss and touch the kabba stone. We do not touch or kiss any of our idols. Idols are like beautification factor for our temples. Just like we have statues of patriotic leaders in our countries and we like to pay them respects occasionally on their death or birth anniversary.. Infact if you want more information i can show how Hindus themself destroy idols every year. Only if any one wishes to know about this i will post.As i do not wish to mention anything about Hindusim on a Jewish forum unless anyone wishes to know.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Hindu Zionist on December 23, 2008, 12:16:16 AM ---<snip>
hmm Interesting about that Nicholas thing. I will be careful with this book. and yes i think i should buy those book Lisa mentioned.
q_q, i have a feeling that the holy Jewish books are for whole humanity and not just for jews to refer. Also i do not get offended if there is written anything about other religions being false and Judaism being the only True one. Also i do not mind if there is written anything against idolators. Because, Hinduism never mentions it self to be a true religion, it asks us to try to get knowledge to know the truth. secondly, It seems we are idolators but we are not.The biggest idolators are muslims. They kiss and touch the kabba stone. We do not touch or kiss any of our idols. Idols are like beautification factor for our temples. Just like we have statues of patriotic leaders in our countries and we like to pay them respects occasionally on their death or birth anniversary.. Infact if you want more information i can show how Hindus themself destroy idols every year. Only if any one wishes to know about this i will post.As i do not wish to mention anything about Hindusim on a Jewish forum unless anyone wishes to know.
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According to jewish beliefs, non-jews are obliged to follow the 7 noachide laws. Judaism was given to the jewish people and not the entire world. And our holy books are our inheritance and not that of other peoples.
According to one's personal preferences, one may feel that all books are for the whole world But judaism doesn't work like that., it has a legal system that can't be compromized by one's own personal philosophy.
And there are other practical reasons why it's not very good when people of other religions read jewish holy books. They read their non-jewish beliefs into them, and pervert them. This is what christian missionaries do, and this is what muslims do. Now, it's true that hindus would probably not try to convert jews, but it's still not good.
Infact, jews should be aware, that there are left wing jews that go to places like india looking for enlightenment, most of them think they know judaism(thanks to reform), but they don't, and they may be drawn to a hinduism with a few jewish symbols, and you may end up with a kind of "jews for [insert hindu god here]". "Messianic congregations"(christianity with jewish symbols), are helped and even inspired, by jews that go teaching judaism to christians. They don't all target jews, but some branches do, and they would attract some jews.
✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 23, 2008, 01:09:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hindu Zionist on December 23, 2008, 12:16:16 AM ---<snip>
hmm Interesting about that Nicholas thing. I will be careful with this book. and yes i think i should buy those book Lisa mentioned.
q_q, i have a feeling that the holy Jewish books are for whole humanity and not just for jews to refer. Also i do not get offended if there is written anything about other religions being false and Judaism being the only True one. Also i do not mind if there is written anything against idolators. Because, Hinduism never mentions it self to be a true religion, it asks us to try to get knowledge to know the truth. secondly, It seems we are idolators but we are not.The biggest idolators are muslims. They kiss and touch the kabba stone. We do not touch or kiss any of our idols. Idols are like beautification factor for our temples. Just like we have statues of patriotic leaders in our countries and we like to pay them respects occasionally on their death or birth anniversary.. Infact if you want more information i can show how Hindus themself destroy idols every year. Only if any one wishes to know about this i will post.As i do not wish to mention anything about Hindusim on a Jewish forum unless anyone wishes to know.
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According to jewish beliefs, non-jews are obliged to follow the 7 noachide laws. Judaism was given to the jewish people and not the entire world. And our holy books are our inheritance and not that of other peoples.
According to one's personal preferences, one may feel that all books are for the whole world But judaism doesn't work like that., it has a legal system that can't be compromized by one's own personal philosophy.
And there are other practical reasons why it's not very good when people of other religions read jewish holy books. They read their non-jewish beliefs into them, and pervert them. This is what christian missionaries do, and this is what muslims do. Now, it's true that hindus would probably not try to convert jews, but it's still not good.
Infact, jews should be aware, that there are left wing jews that go to places like india looking for enlightenment, most of them think they know judaism(thanks to reform), but they don't, and they may be drawn to a hinduism with a few jewish symbols, and you may end up with a kind of "jews for [insert hindu G-d here]". "Messianic congregations"(christianity with jewish symbols), are helped and even inspired, by jews that go teaching judaism to christians. They don't all target jews, but some branches do, and they would attract some jews.
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sounds logical, although q_q dont you think that because Judaism isnt much open to non-Jew today the population has gone down? Cause i think if it were open to everyone then many non-Jews would have taken to Judaism. This is actually the problem with Hinduism too, there is no missionizing.
And yes,There should be no interference between two religions. And i do accept your thoughts about this. That we might some how corrupt the purity of the Holy Book by our own principles.
muman613:
Hindu Zionist,
The only Jewish way to be able to study Judaism is to ask a Rabbi to convert you. In our faith one must be taught authentic Torah from a Rabbi who has studied a tradition and texts which have been handed down from generation to generation. This is called Mesorah in hebrew.
To study on your own will not give you an authentic understanding of our 'religion'. Judaism is more than just a religion, it is a complete system of thinking and understanding our relationship to the universe. Sure you can pick up a concept here or there but without a holistic understanding you are really just shooting in the dark.
I originally suggested some websites which are intended for Jewish audiences. You can read any book which talks about the Jewish people but we really should not 'teach' you our tradition because as q_q_ has said, it was given to us because we chose to keep it.
If your heart is truly one seeking truth I am sure you will continue to seek understanding. Everyone who looks for the absolute universal truth always finds resistance yet keeps asking questions. I hope you will find what you are looking for.
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