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The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« on: December 24, 2008, 12:45:28 AM »
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008551284_snowcleanup23m.html


Seattle refuses to use salt; roads "snow packed" by design

Seattle's strategy for clearing roads relies on sand and de-icer, not salt, which is a more effective method of melting ice and snow.

By Susan Kelleher

Seattle Times consumer affairs reporter

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Sections of Denny Way, seen looking east toward Capitol Hill, remain closed from several snowstorms in the Seattle area since last week.
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Sections of Denny Way, seen looking east toward Capitol Hill, remain closed from several snowstorms in the Seattle area since last week.

To hear the city's spin, Seattle's road crews are making "great progress" in clearing the ice-caked streets.

But it turns out "plowed streets" in Seattle actually means "snow-packed," as in there's snow and ice left on major arterials by design.

"We're trying to create a hard-packed surface," said Alex Wiggins, chief of staff for the Seattle Department of Transportation. "It doesn't look like anything you'd find in Chicago or New York."

The city's approach means crews clear the roads enough for all-wheel and four-wheel-drive vehicles, or those with front-wheel drive cars as long as they are using chains, Wiggins said.

The icy streets are the result of Seattle's refusal to use salt, an effective ice-buster used by the state Department of Transportation and cities accustomed to dealing with heavy winter snows.

"If we were using salt, you'd see patches of bare road because salt is very effective," Wiggins said. "We decided not to utilize salt because it's not a healthy addition to Puget Sound."

By ruling out salt and some of the chemicals routinely used by snowbound cities, Seattle has embraced a less-effective strategy for clearing roads, namely sand sprinkled on top of snowpack along major arterials, and a chemical de-icer that is effective when temperatures are below 32 degrees.

Seattle also equips its plows with rubber-edged blades. That minimizes the damage to roads and manhole covers, but it doesn't scrape off the ice, Wiggins said.

That leaves many drivers, including Seattle police, pretty much on their own until nature does to the snow what the sand can't: melt it.

The city's patrol cars are rear-wheel drive. And even with tire chains, officers are avoiding hills and responding on foot, according to a West Precinct officer.

Between Thursday and Monday, the city spread about 6,000 tons of sand on 1,531 miles of streets it considers major arterials.

The tonnage, sprinkled atop the packed snow, amounts to 1.4 pounds of sand per linear foot of roadway, an amount one expert said might be too little to provide effective traction.

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"Hmmm. Six thousand tons of sand for that length of road doesn't seem like it's enough," said Diane Spector, a water-resources planner for Wenck Associates, which evaluated snow and ice clearance for nine cities in the Midwest.

Spector and snow-control experts in four cities said sand is typically mixed with salt and used for trouble spots.

"The occasional application of salt is probably not going to have a lasting effect" on the environment, Spector said. But she cautioned it's highly dependent on where it's used, how often and how much is applied.

Seattle's stand against using salt is not shared by the state Department of Transportation, which has battled the latest storms in Western Washington with de-icer, 5,800 tons of salt and 11,500 cubic yards of salt and sand mix, said spokesman Travis Phelps.

Many cities are moving away from sand because it clogs the sewers, runs into waterways, creates air pollution and costs more to clean up.

Its main attraction is that it typically costs less than one-fifth the price of salt, according to Spector.

"We never use sand," said Ann Williams, spokeswoman for Denver's Department of Public Works. "Sand causes dust, and there's also water-quality issues where it goes into streets and into our rivers."

Instead, it sprays an "anti-icing" agent on dry roads before the snow falls and then a combination of chemicals to melt the ice.

Cheryl Kuck, spokeswoman for the Portland Bureau of Transportation, said her city prepared the streets last week with the "anti-icing" spray. Once the snow started, Portland used chemical de-icers, followed by plowing with 55 plows and treating trouble spots with sand and gravel.

Although the city had plowed 29 of its 36 major routes, "nothing is clear," Kuck said late Monday afternoon. "This is a difficult and challenging situation that's going to take us a long time to recover from."

Wiggins, of Seattle's transportation department, said the city's 27 trucks had plowed and sanded 100 percent of Seattle's main roads, and were going back for second and third passes.

"It's tough going. I won't argue with you on that," he said. But here in Seattle, "we're sensitive about everything we do that impacts the environment."
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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 01:57:21 AM »
Seattle is known for their ecological stupidity.  Check out the Denny Hill project for an example of this.  They do what FEELS good, not what makes sense.  The paradigmal Leftist town.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 02:03:05 AM »
I hope they slip on the ice and break their heads.  But in the mean time they endanger others.
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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 02:11:34 AM »
Don't forget that Seattle is the city that acquitted a Pakistani demon of chasing a woman down a flight of stairs at a synagogue and emptying the magazine of his pistol into her head.

I have zero doubt whatsoever that if it were legal, the great majority of Seattleans (and I mean white here) would gleefully partake in a pogrom.

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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 02:20:22 AM »
Yes the Whites here are almost as stupid as the [censored] in Harlem. It's the same reason that they elect and re-elect Jim McDermont the Anti Semite piece of garbage to the US Congress year after year. Even a Rino like Giuliani wouldn't stand a chance in Seattle
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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 04:39:11 AM »
They are putting people's lives at risk.  I almost crashed into a bunch of cars ahead of me because this hill was all ice and there was a red light at the bottom. I had to hold down the horn to get everyone out of the way.
     I know people who own small businesses who probably won't have them next year because no one could get to their stores for the Christmas season. Mayor Nickels defended not using salt.  Maybe he should worry about his son who is going to jail for robbing Indian Casinos.  If those kids in that bus accident had died I think he should have been charged with negligent homicide. 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-19-seattle-bus_N.htm?csp=34

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 04:50:17 AM »
Don't forget that Seattle is the city that acquitted a Pakistani demon of chasing a woman down a flight of stairs at a synagogue and emptying the magazine of his pistol into her head.

I have zero doubt whatsoever that if it were legal, the great majority of Seattleans (and I mean white here) would gleefully partake in a pogrom.

You are sadly 100% correct. Just south of Seattle, is where Rachel Corey was from and they hold "stop Israel" rallies downtown from time to time. 
I've lived in many parts of the USA and have never run into as many anti-Semites as I have here.   

Don't forget too about that James Ujama case in Seattle in 1999 where he worked with the Finsbury mosque (he was a half black half white Muslim who tried to set up a training camp in Bly Oregon with Al Qaeda.)  And another story thrown under the rug by the media was that Muslim soldier from Lynnwood Washington who tried to give Al Qaeda troop movements.  Then Ahmed Ressam who tried to blow up the LA airport came from Canada to Port Angeles, WA and was given a light sentence by a leftist judge in Seattle even though he refused to cooperate (after initially helping) and was able to sabotage a few federal terrorism cases that resulted in some Al Qaeda operatives being released. 
Also, there were some Seattle Somalis who ended up fighting against the Ethiopian government for Al Qaeda and a Gambian Muslim terrorist cell that was busted....

I'm guessing most people never heard anything about this even in Seattle. 

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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 11:49:59 AM »
Don't forget that Seattle is the city that acquitted a Pakistani demon of chasing a woman down a flight of stairs at a synagogue and emptying the magazine of his pistol into her head.

I have zero doubt whatsoever that if it were legal, the great majority of Seattleans (and I mean white here) would gleefully partake in a pogrom.

C.F. do you have a link for that?

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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 12:04:40 PM »
They are putting people's lives at risk.  I almost crashed into a bunch of cars ahead of me because this hill was all ice and there was a red light at the bottom. I had to hold down the horn to get everyone out of the way.
     I know people who own small businesses who probably won't have them next year because no one could get to their stores for the Christmas season. Mayor Nickels defended not using salt.  Maybe he should worry about his son who is going to jail for robbing Indian Casinos.  If those kids in that bus accident had died I think he should have been charged with negligent homicide. 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-19-seattle-bus_N.htm?csp=34

It's quite pathetic I just called the Mayors office to complain. They said there is nothing they can do but they will get the message to the Schmuck. This same schmuck signed a bill signed by the City Council that every plastic bag you get within Seattle you will pay a 20 cent Tax that will pay for his big govt programs.
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Re: The Stupid Liberals in Seattle won't put Salt on the Icy Roads
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 12:06:06 PM »
Seattle is probably the lamest city in America.  They don't use salt, yet they love grunge.  How hweird.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 01:07:04 PM »
I hope they slip on the ice and break their heads.  But in the mean time they endanger others.

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008, 01:15:08 PM »
    Seattle is not on my list of places I want to visit, I might have to take a trip there next summer. Even though it will be summer, this thread sure gives me something to look forward to.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2008, 01:20:21 PM »
I just put up a post on my blog about this. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2008, 01:21:40 PM »
It's the same thing out here in Portland!

And they wonder why there are so many problems on the hiways.

They shut down I-5 last night for snow removal....

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2008, 09:04:52 PM »
They are putting people's lives at risk.  I almost crashed into a bunch of cars ahead of me because this hill was all ice and there was a red light at the bottom. I had to hold down the horn to get everyone out of the way.
     I know people who own small businesses who probably won't have them next year because no one could get to their stores for the Christmas season. Mayor Nickels defended not using salt.  Maybe he should worry about his son who is going to jail for robbing Indian Casinos.  If those kids in that bus accident had died I think he should have been charged with negligent homicide. 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-19-seattle-bus_N.htm?csp=34

It's quite pathetic I just called the Mayors office to complain. They said there is nothing they can do but they will get the message to the Schmuck. This same schmuck signed a bill signed by the City Council that every plastic bag you get within Seattle you will pay a 20 cent Tax that will pay for his big govt programs.

The 7th District, which includes a moderate area, voted 84% for McDermott, who is to the left of Obama.  If you just included Seattle, it would probably be at 95% for Obama. Seattle is in a competition with San Francisco, Chicago and NYC, to come up with the most liberal policies.

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2008, 09:06:23 PM »
It's the same thing out here in Portland!

And they wonder why there are so many problems on the hiways.

They shut down I-5 last night for snow removal....



I think Portland may be worse.  Corvalis and Eugene are up there too. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2008, 10:10:11 PM »
C.F. do you have a link for that?
The victim's name was Pamela Waechter (sp?), and the case was well-publicized all over the nation. Hang on and let me see if I can find a link.

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