Why we should not use the K-word on JTF

[Zelhar]

1. I don't hate anyone, not even the Nazis.

2. Traitors should be removed from siciety.

3. How about giving them a heads up ? As for traitors (in your term Mosrim veMalshinim) I think as a religious man you daven for their destruction every day.

I am not religious and I am not pretending to be a halachic scholar. Everything I said represents my own views and not my interpretation to Judaism.

[muman613]

1. I don't hate anyone, not even the Nazis.

2. Traitors should be removed from siciety.

3. How about giving them a heads up ? As for traitors (in your term Mosrim veMalshinim) I think as a religious man you daven for their destruction every day.

I am not religious and I am not pretending to be a halachic scholar. Everything I said represents my own views and not my interpretation to Judaism.

I do daven that all enemies of Israel be removed from the world. But what I am pointing out that calling Jews {who are born Jewish but have gone off the path} this name does nothing but hurt yourself. Your rebuke is not heard by the offender {the bad Jew} and the word only inspires hatred.

What I said in my initial post is that if we want to rebuke those 'bad' Jews we should find a way to say so without pushing so many away. I don't think using Nazi ideas is kosher for Jews. Saying things like 'soap Jews' and "Kike" only make us seem more like our tormentors than righteous Jews.

[Zelhar]

While I don't see any wrong doing in labeling certain people with their appropriate titles, it is not my intention to raise arguments and misunderstandings with so many innocent people. For this practical I hardly ever use the Kike word. I don't recall ever using the term soap material (exclusive this thread), but I am waiting for the right opportunity to present itself.

[q_q_]

1. I don't hate anyone, not even the Nazis.

2. Traitors should be removed from siciety.

3. How about giving them a heads up ? As for traitors (in your term Mosrim veMalshinim) I think as a religious man you daven for their destruction every day.

I am not religious and I am not pretending to be a halachic scholar. Everything I said represents my own views and not my interpretation to Judaism.

indeed we do daven for the destruction of heretics..  traitors..

it's quite normal to love what G-d loves and hate what G-d hates.  I'm sure some rabbis will say not to hate anyone, but I doubt they are correct, and I don't think they are using purely old school classical jewish sources of tenach and talmud.

i'm sure that chaim would agree we should hate our enemies.

Still, you shouldn't be using the phrase "soap jews" because many Good Jews were "soap jews" - they were turned into soap.   So the phrase implies that they are soap jews, whether you mean it or not. That is what it implies

[q_q_]

My view is this: I have no problem with true defenders of Jews using "kike" in private, <snip>

I should point out, that apart from Chaim(who -used- to), and a few JTFers that have(had) copied him,  nobody uses it.  That's why the word has kicked up such a fuss. It's not like the N word where blacks use it on themselves and don't want whites to use it.  Jews don't use the K word at all.

We normally just say jewish leftist, and we know -all- of what that implies.(often when they are jewish we know anyway and just say leftist). It gets tiring talking to people that keep replacing words like that.. But this is a very strange crowd here.

In this funny crowd, perhaps leftist traitor or leftist self hating jewish traitor or something , would work.  It's certainly better than some of the words people have been using.

[Zevida]

I dislike seeing the word posted on this forum.  In any form, it is offensive to me.   

[MasterWolf1]

Piss em off by showing unity, traitors hate that

[muman613]

Piss em off by showing unity, traitors hate that

Unity in righteousness. I agree!