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Oh Israel, today you are Serbia!
« on: January 12, 2009, 02:18:19 PM »
Everything that is happening to Israel today,it's already happened and it is happening to Serbia for almost 20 years.We had to learn a lot from Israeli people in our past from theirs,but today Israel should learn from ours.

When Serbia stood up to defend itself in Krajina(today Croatia),in Bosnia and its own country(province of Kosovo and Metohiya),hole papist western world and islamized eastern one  demonized us and gave everything what was in their power to destroy every chance for Serbian people to be free in G-d's Laws with Him.And the result we all know-secular idiotic controlled state which is falling a part in every aspect of life(although many Serbs won't admit it or won't see it).Low births,selfish atheist (so called)"marriages" without G-d's presence in it,alcoholism,smoking,drugs,harlotry,rising hypocrisy and all other ingredients from papist empire called European Union.

Today,when Israeli secular Government finally started to clean up its yard and remove the trash which is attacking Israel for decades,hole papist western and islamised eastern world are demonizing Israel reporting in its own NWO media only the consequences for people in Gaza(which has the collective responsibility for allowing creation of bandit groups),without any referring to the past and what had Hamas done-destroying,not only Jewish lives in Israel,but its economy too.Israel earns a lot from turism,and who is going to visit the country and risk it?There's no need to mention the destruction of industrial facilities.

Now,let's see what is the common thing for Serbia and Israel in those occasions.
Those who supported Croats,Muslims in Bosnia and Albanians on Kosovo were the same who support Hamas and all enemies of Israel-Roman Church and certain protestant circles(mostly in USA).
Cardinal Renato Martino said that today "Gaza is like concentrate camp in nazi Germany".This is very clear comparison of nazi Germany and Israel!We Serbs can clearly recognize the satanic rhetoric and methods just like in '90s dedicated to Serbia.
I can't get to details now,but it's a known thing that papist Europe supports both terrorist organizations threatening Israel.The problem is that Israel have secular Government and want to have a good relations with spiritually and physically controlled,occupied and almost dead Europe in papist creation-EU.

USA is not much better.USA finance Israel with 4 billions of dollars yearly,but selling its best military equipment to muslim states in Israeli neighborhood in value of 6 billions.US leaders act like they are "neutral",but the fact is that this country is also fallen in hands which controls Europe.And it's only a meter of time when it is going to be very clear.Oh,I almost forgot..It already started to be clear...economy "probems","financial crisis" are already there.And Sarkozy&Merkel are announcing "change of capitalist economy",while sending massage to US not to try to interfere.Can't you realize the "problem" had to occur as a basis and justification for their changes(and problem started in USA)?If so,who are the people who are going to make a "crisis"?Or whose people?
America won't be able to help Israel for a very long time any more,because it has been led into situation that it needs a kind of "Messiah",savior.Since America won't accept G-d(and His Laws),there is no one who is going to save USA,except pope and Vatican!And then...we can imagine what is going to be with Israel if it continues to be secular state.
If there are those who won't believe that papist Europe(EU) is not behind all of this,there are some questions: Why Hamas is attacking Israel?Is it possible that Hamas think it can win against well organized and strong Israeli Army!?Hah!
There is no doubt that Hamas is someone's pion.But whose?Well,who is he or who are those who hates Jews the most?Who terrorized them the most and hunted them through history?Who brought Hitler on power...the same who started the war on Balkans.No,not muslims...YOU KNOW WHO IT IS-Pontius maximus.

The logic and how it works is this: "You(Hamas) will rocketing and provoke Israel so that they attack you.And then,we(Vatican with its societies) will demonize Israel through the media we control and we'll try to isolate them through economic sanctions and all other international embargoes(just like Serbia),or we'll try to destroy them on some other way.But,this thing that your people dies,that's not very important because they die for faith,so they will be in haven as a martyrs of the faith".
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 02:59:50 PM »
You are mostly mistaken in your analysis.

Europe is a pawn of Islam, The entire EU political and economical leadership are subservient dhimis. The Vatican lacks any significant power. Were it so powerful and influencial I'd expect it to prevent the legislation of anti-catholic laws such as same sex marriages and assisted suicide/euthanasia.

America and Europe are victims of their pro-Islam anti-Serb, anti-Jewish policies, they are bringing their own destruction.

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 03:13:05 PM »
Very interesting post, Kerber!

Thank you for understanding Israel.

No war is possible without civilian casualites, especially when the enemy uses its civilians as human shield.

Hamas leadership hides itself under the central Gaza hospital.

Moreover, Hamas wants as many Gazans dead as possible - to blame Israel. They intentionally fire rockets from densely populated areas.

Israel does everything to ease the situation of civilians in Gaza. Every day we stop fighting for 3 hours to facilitate the medical treatment and to allow trucks with humanitarian aid in (should we ?)

Hamas steals it to create humatinarian crisis and blame Israel.

Western Europe has no moral right to teach morality to Israel, Serbia or anyone. After all the crusades, inquisition, colonization, revolutions and nazism, how do they dare ?..

I don't fully understand your point about Vatican role in it. Not that I am a great fan of Vatican, but I just thought they don't have any real influence in present-day Europe. They are only a symbol - like British Queen. Besides, such influential countries as England and Germany are not Catholic. Anyways, I don't live in Europe and don't fully understand the situation there.

Also, real patron of Hamas is Islamic republic of Iran. Iran openly declares its support to Hamas, provides them weapons ans military training, and swears to wipe Israel off the map.

Kosovo je bilo, jeste i ostace zauvek srce Srbije!!!
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 04:12:38 PM »
You are mostly mistaken in your analysis.

Europe is a pawn of Islam, The entire EU political and economical leadership are subservient dhimis. The Vatican lacks any significant power. Were it so powerful and influencial I'd expect it to prevent the legislation of anti-catholic laws such as same sex marriages and assisted suicide/euthanasia.

America and Europe are victims of their pro-Islam anti-Serb, anti-Jewish policies, they are bringing their own destruction.
All Islamic countries are weak comparing to EU.EU as a Vatican's political,economical and social project is the main factor in the world,main player.Many would say that it's USA,but it's not.It's Europe(EU).

European people have tradition,culture,historical background and today only memories of religion.All those things are used on a very cleaver way-mixed and globalized in EU project.Vatican didn't had the strength after the WWII,as a wounded animal,damaged factor,but today its different story.Through EU,they control everything in European countries.

Don't be fooled by declarative stands towards gay-marriages and other things.Which religious organization is known by homosexuality,pedofilia and other bad things?
It reminds me...In "civilized world" there are campaigns against drugs and sex/slave/human trafficking made like this: government use taxation to collect money and says that it's for "fighting against criminal,drugs,human trafficking".
That's only an illusion for stupid and morally totally degraded people.What they do?With that money they rent out billboards on which states something like this:"STOP DRUGS" or "STOP ALL KINDS OF DRUGS".

Now,if you have a basement and in that basement you keep some food.One day you go in your basement and see that food is reducing,and make a conclusion that you have a rats.Normal thing would be to make an effective deratization with certain chemicals.But,instead you wrote on a basement wall like this :"STOP THE RATS" or "STOP ALL KIND OF RATS"!
Now,rats would probably read your massage and politely move away,wouldn't they?Of course not...The same thing is in politics.There is no country in Europe where governments don't have its share in collecting the money from mentioned criminal ways.
I will tell you that there are 3 ways that brings most money:1.drugs,2.prostitution,3.weapons.
Billions and billions of money are "earned" in those ways.Then this money goes on cleaning process.Every European government is in this story,every.

Regarding muslims,thay are backed up from Vatican,economy organized so they can collect money from oil sales.If you haven't noticed,EUROPE(EU) is the no.1 factor that is against Israel and its actions.Europeans makes protests and sending its own "human rights keepers".
Papist Europe is setting you up.

Watch this:

This is a recipe how they work.We know that kind of scenarios,we watched for a decade in Serbia and where ever Serbs fought!Now,they'll try to do the same thing to you!
But your government is secular and won't let you clearly see what's behind everything.

Islamic countries would be NOTHING without support from EU.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 09:26:48 PM »
We are all tired of muslim extremists >:(
Serbia will never surrender Kosovo to the breakaway province's ethnic Albanian majority or trade its territory for European Union or NATO membership,

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 07:41:58 AM »
Whole Europe more or less is under the spell of EuroCommunism. The EuroCommunism needs to support Muslamics and their evil objectives to keep the balance of power in their own favour. As such those who have to struggle against Muslamic evil at any front have to risk high chances of getting isolated from the broad world community on some filthy pretext or the other. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 10:51:09 AM »
Whole Europe more or less is under the spell of EuroCommunism. The EuroCommunism needs to support Muslamics and their evil objectives to keep the balance of power in their own favour. As such those who have to struggle against Muslamic evil at any front have to risk high chances of getting isolated from the broad world community on some filthy pretext or the other. 
I agree >:(
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 11:23:46 AM »
Everything that is happening to Israel today,it's already happened and it is happening to Serbia for almost 20 years.We had to learn a lot from Israeli people in our past from theirs,but today Israel should learn from ours.

ok.. you aren't clear on what we are supposed to learn though

When Serbia stood up to defend itself in Krajina(today Croatia),in Bosnia and its own country(province of Kosovo and Metohiya),hole papist western world and islamized eastern one  demonized us and gave everything what was in their power to destroy every chance for Serbian people to be free in G-d's Laws with Him.And the result we all know-secular idiotic controlled state which is falling a part in every aspect of life(although many Serbs won't admit it or won't see it).Low births,selfish atheist (so called)"marriages" without G-d's presence in it,alcoholism,smoking,drugs,harlotry,rising hypocrisy and all other ingredients from papist empire called European Union.

you stood up to defend yourselves and it didn't work? what should israel learn from that?

israel is stronger than the arabs (still, and please G-d always stronger as  long as there are arabs. Am yisroel chai(the people of israel live) ).

the religious in israel can and are having lots of babies and they can just force control out of the hands of the secular state.

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America won't be able to help Israel for a very long time any more,because it has been led into situation that it needs a kind of "Messiah",savior.Since America won't accept G-d(and His Laws),there is no one who is going to save USA,except pope and Vatican!And then...we can imagine what is going to be with Israel if it continues to be secular state.

Putting aside whether israel needs america or not.. And by the way, Israel did not get help from america in 1948.. and by an amazing miracle we defeated all those arab armies.. We faught for our lives..

America is full of evangelical christians, and they won't abandon israel.

The bible says He who blesses israel will be blessed.. They know that and read that.

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There is no doubt that Hamas is someone's pion.But whose?Well,who is he or who are those who hates Jews the most?Who terrorized them the most and hunted them through history?Who brought Hitler on power...the same who started the war on Balkans.No,not muslims...YOU KNOW WHO IT IS-Pontius maximus.

err,  Pontius maximus

That sounds like a great name for somebody in a comedy e.g. a "carry on" film

Lock your daughters away..

Oh, it's a name for The Pope?  I hadn't heard that one!

The vatican certainly caused alot of trouble as christianity did for 2000 years.. though you can't really blame muslims on them.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 01:52:41 AM »
Everything that is happening to Israel today,it's already happened and it is happening to Serbia for almost 20 years.We had to learn a lot from Israeli people in our past from theirs,but today Israel should learn from ours.

ok.. you aren't clear on what we are supposed to learn though

When Serbia stood up to defend itself in Krajina(today Croatia),in Bosnia and its own country(province of Kosovo and Metohiya),hole papist western world and islamized eastern one  demonized us and gave everything what was in their power to destroy every chance for Serbian people to be free in G-d's Laws with Him.And the result we all know-secular idiotic controlled state which is falling a part in every aspect of life(although many Serbs won't admit it or won't see it).Low births,selfish atheist (so called)"marriages" without G-d's presence in it,alcoholism,smoking,drugs,harlotry,rising hypocrisy and all other ingredients from papist empire called European Union.

you stood up to defend yourselves and it didn't work? what should israel learn from that?

israel is stronger than the arabs (still, and please G-d always stronger as  long as there are arabs. Am yisroel chai(the people of israel live) ).

the religious in israel can and are having lots of babies and they can just force control out of the hands of the secular state.

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America won't be able to help Israel for a very long time any more,because it has been led into situation that it needs a kind of "Messiah",savior.Since America won't accept G-d(and His Laws),there is no one who is going to save USA,except pope and Vatican!And then...we can imagine what is going to be with Israel if it continues to be secular state.

Putting aside whether israel needs america or not.. And by the way, Israel did not get help from america in 1948.. and by an amazing miracle we defeated all those arab armies.. We faught for our lives..

America is full of evangelical christians, and they won't abandon israel.

The bible says He who blesses israel will be blessed.. They know that and read that.

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There is no doubt that Hamas is someone's pion.But whose?Well,who is he or who are those who hates Jews the most?Who terrorized them the most and hunted them through history?Who brought Hitler on power...the same who started the war on Balkans.No,not muslims...YOU KNOW WHO IT IS-Pontius maximus.

err,  Pontius maximus

That sounds like a great name for somebody in a comedy e.g. a "carry on" film

Lock your daughters away..

Oh, it's a name for The Pope?  I hadn't heard that one!

The vatican certainly caused alot of trouble as christianity did for 2000 years.. though you can't really blame muslims on them.

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1.I can't get any clearer...the facts could be seen from an airplane.

2.Hehehe...You should look little more further,behind the Arabs.Israel is stronger than the Arabs,but is it stronger than EU and other parts of the world united in rebellion against G-d?Serbia was stronger then its all neighboring enemies together(Just like relations Israel-Arabs),but our enemies didn't start the war on its own and their master at the end helped them and showed its face.The same will be here with Israel.
Well,that's something I'm trying to tell you what you should learn.

3.America then and America today...there is no need for an explanation,is there?
Christians and others calling themselves religious in USA have so "much" influence and power that Obama almost won,right? :)
Man,get serious,faith and PRACTICE of theological knowledge in USA became nothing more than religious turism and religious business.

4.Vatican did cause and it's causing again,but Christianity didn't.As you can see Christian people(like Serbians) didn't cause you a thing...

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How you are going to justify rehabilitation of 4 nazi-traditionalist high priests in Vatican.Israel protested,but you got the answer that "you can't put your noses into "holy" things",hehehe... :)
You know what I'm talknig about?Those priests(bishops or something) were denying that holocaust ever happened,calling it "Jewish exaggeration" and that there were no more than "only" 300 000 Jewish victims.
I'm still in illusion,am I? :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 02:09:20 AM »
Well,the thing is that the built of the same or similar situation as it was just before the WWII is in progress.
Economy,social problems and scenario with Muslim idiots so that blame&hate can be created(through their media and "human rights organizations") on Jews and their state.

We've already seen everything here...the recipe was tested on Serbia.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 09:29:49 AM »
Israel can defend itself, and America is not going to attack Israel.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 10:13:36 AM »
Israel can defend itself, and America is not going to attack Israel.

from Iran? ..

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 10:27:07 AM »
Israel can defend itself, and America is not going to attack Israel.

from Iran? ..

By that reasoning, can any country defend itself from a nuclear bomb?

Looking on the bright side.

Israel did strike Iraqs nuclear reactor in 1982.

Israel's nuclear weapons are a deterrent. I doubt iran would hit israel if they think israel will make the whole middle east glow green.
(no matter how suicidal the iranians are)

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 04:54:09 PM »
You are mostly mistaken in your analysis.

Europe is a pawn of Islam, The entire EU political and economical leadership are subservient dhimis. The Vatican lacks any significant power. Were it so powerful and influencial I'd expect it to prevent the legislation of anti-catholic laws such as same sex marriages and assisted suicide/euthanasia.

America and Europe are victims of their pro-Islam anti-Serb, anti-Jewish policies, they are bringing their own destruction.

I couldn't agree more  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 09:26:56 AM »
Israel can defend itself, and America is not going to attack Israel.

from Iran? ..

By that reasoning, can any country defend itself from a nuclear bomb?

Looking on the bright side.

Israel did strike Iraqs nuclear reactor in 1982.

Israel's nuclear weapons are a deterrent. I doubt iran would hit israel if they think israel will make the whole middle east glow green.
(no matter how suicidal the iranians are)


Think israel could take iran on if it was a fight without nuclear bombs?

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 08:20:14 AM »
Israel can defend itself, and America is not going to attack Israel.

from Iran? ..

By that reasoning, can any country defend itself from a nuclear bomb?

Looking on the bright side.

Israel did strike Iraqs nuclear reactor in 1982.

Israel's nuclear weapons are a deterrent. I doubt iran would hit israel if they think israel will make the whole middle east glow green.
(no matter how suicidal the iranians are)


Think israel could take iran on if it was a fight without nuclear bombs?
There are 1000 km separating Israel and Iran. lobbing missles at each other is pretty much all that Israel and Iran can do (exuding proxy wars like Lebanon 2006 and Gaza 2008).

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 07:58:15 PM »
Let's see how "wrong" I am in my analysis,as some have marked it.

ADL Survey in Seven European Countries Finds Anti-Semitic Attitudes Steady; 31 Percent Blame Jews for Financial Crisis 


New York, NY, February 10, 2009 … A new survey of seven countries across Europe shows millions continue to believe the classical anti-Semitic canards that have persistently pursued Jews through the centuries.

The findings released by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today revealed that nearly half of the Europeans surveyed believe Jews are not loyal to their country and more than one-third believe they have "too much power" in business and finance.

Attitudes Toward Jews in Seven European Countries (.pdf) an opinion survey of 3,500 adults – 500 in each of the seven European countries – Austria, France, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Spain and the United Kingdom – conducted December 1, 2008 – January 13, 2009, found 31% of the respondents across Europe blame Jews in the financial industry for the current global economic crisis.

Overall, 40% of Europeans in the countries polled believe that Jews have too much power in the business world, with more than half of Hungarian, Spanish and Polish respondents agreeing with that statement.

The findings were similar to those of a 2007 ADL survey that found significant percentages of Europeans continue to believe in some of the most pernicious anti-Semitic stereotypes.

"This poll confirms that anti-Semitism remains alive and well in the minds of many Europeans," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director.  "It is distressing that there seems to be no movement away from the constancy of anti-Semitic held views, with accusations about Jews of disloyalty, control and responsibility for the death of Jesus.

"In the wake of the global financial crisis, the strong belief of excessive Jewish influence on business and finance is especially worrisome," Mr. Foxman added.  "Clearly, age old anti-Semitic stereotypes die hard, particularly on a continent which is witnessing a surge in violent attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions following the war in Gaza."

A comparison with the 2007 survey indicates that over the past two years levels of anti-Semitism have remained steady in six of the seven countries tested.  The United Kingdom was the only country in which there was a marked decline.  Meanwhile, the percentage of those believing that Jews "have too much power in the business world" increased by 7% in Hungary, 6% in Poland and 5% in France.

Respondents across the continent were asked a series of indicator questions representing the most pernicious notions of anti-Semitism and whether or not they thought the following four statements were "probably true" or "probably false."

• Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country.
• Jews have too much power in the business world.
• Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
• Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.

Respondents were also asked whether they agree or disagree with the following statement:

• The Jews are responsible for the death of Christ

Finally, respondents were asked,

• If their opinion of Jews was influenced by actions taken by the State of Israel and whether they believed the violence directed against European Jews was a result of anti-Jewish feelings or anti-Israel sentiment.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm
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I still say that EU is the biggest enemy of the Jews and a generator for a terrorism.That's the same psychology today as it was in WWII.Start the crisis,start the terror so Israel have to respond and blame the Jews through its "Goebbels media".
And I still blame those who controls EU and who started the war in Balkans in '90s.

Now,the character of today's antisemitism is described in the first sentence of the text.Considering this sentence,here's my question to those who tells me that I'm wrong: Do you know WHO pursued the Jews for centuries?Who blamed them being "Christ killers"?

Well,you don't have to answer,you may keep your eyes closed.

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 06:31:22 AM »
You are said that the Vatican is all-powerful. That the EU, which is secretly controlled by the Vatican, is the real power behind the Islamic world. That is what I dispute. The EU is anti-Jewish, but Islam is not its pawn. Islam is taking over Europe and the Europeans do nothing to stop it.

I don't dispute the anti-Jewish traits that much of the Europeans have.

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 11:52:46 PM »
You are said that the Vatican is all-powerful. That the EU, which is secretly controlled by the Vatican, is the real power behind the Islamic world. That is what I dispute. The EU is anti-Jewish, but Islam is not its pawn. Islam is taking over Europe and the Europeans do nothing to stop it.

I don't dispute the anti-Jewish traits that much of the Europeans have.
Vatican currently celebrates their man Charles Darwin and publicly adopts "his" teachings that humans are "higher animals" and that there are no moral authority in the world.
See it:
"The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin was on the right track when he claimed that Man descended from apes.

A leading official declared yesterday that Darwin’s theory of evolution was compatible with Christian faith, and could even be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. “In fact, what we mean by evolution is the world as created by G-d,” said Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture."

More at:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705331.ece

So,they fully endorse theory of evolution,celebrating their man and even saying it's compatible with Christian faith.Christian faith is based on Moshe's books including the Genesis.So,every man having a basic information of God's word knows that it's a TOTAL LIE that Christianity is compatible with Darwinism(satanism).It's two opposing front,two opposing understandings/perceptions of life and two completely opposing ways of living.
Considering theory of evolution,their "scientists" had to develop the compatible theory for the beginnings of the World and Universe in order to have one complete whole.So,look at this...

In January 1933, the Belgian mathematician and Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre traveled with Albert Einstein to California for a series of seminars.
After the Belgian detailed his Big Bang theory, Einstein stood up applauded, and said, This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation to which I have ever listened. Lemaitre's theory, the idea that there was a burst of fireworks which marked the beginning of time and space on a day without yesterday, was a radical departure from prevailing scientific understandings, though it has since come to be the most probable explanation for the origin of the universe.In other words, a Jesuit was behind the embarrassing doctrine of the "Big Bang" theory as the front door before entering the theory of evolutioin.


Now,when it's becoming more and more clear who supports Darwinism(as a theological base for today's sinful atheist liberal societies,rebelled against God and united in it(EU)),we cannot forget who also want to BAN THE PROVES for the Bible and its authenticity.

Council of Europe brought resolution against scientific facts for God and His word!
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta07/ERES1580.htm
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc07/EDOC11375.htm

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The resolution ends by urging the 47 member states of the Council of Europe and especially their education authorities:
 
   1. To defend and promote scientific knowledge;
   2. Strengthen the teaching of the foundations of science, its history, its epistemology and its methods alongside the teaching of objective scientific knowledge;
   3. To make science more comprehensible, more attractive and closer to the realities of the contemporary world;
   4. To firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution and in general resist presentation of creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion;
   5. To promote the teaching of evolution as a fundamental scientific theory in the school curriculum.

http://www.csicop.org/intelligentdesignwatch/mahner.html
1."Scientific knowledge" that there are no Creator or that God's word could be relativised and interpreted in ways acceptable to them.Example: 6 days are "no really 6 days,but millions or billions of years",so it could support liberal(liberal from moral laws) societies.And you can see who support and even celebrate it.
2.I can only laugh at this.Foundations of science in Darwinism!?There is no "s" from "science"!But they need their foundations to preserve their "democracy" where they can use stupid people previously drugged with Darwinism to vote and submit to their wishes(example:free religious views inducing satanic behavior and sects or using drugs of all kinds-narcotics,smoking,alcoholism,...
3.This is also unbelievable!To make science more attractive???
Modern drugged man is addicted and acclimated to previously described animal behaviors.Those kind of behaviors are important for preserving the illness of human soul-being separated from its source of life,so it could be easy to manipulate and do with them what they want,including the building of united rebellion against God(EU).
So,they need science to be attractive for those kind of people.It means that their goal in science is not the truth but atheism,by any cost!And Darwinism is unique model for that.
4.They want to resist of representing the facts of God's creation and His existence and oppose it?Why?No need to explain.Already did it in no.3.
5.Well,while banning the knowledge of God's existence and 100% authenticity of His word,they are promoting the teachings of their "science"-no God,no moral authority,you are just a higher animal,so you can act like one on the principals of extermination in the nature.As I've said this is satanism.
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By the way,do you think those things are coincidence?Unfinished Babylonian tower as a symbol of human rebellion against God,EU Parliament constructed like Babylonian tower,and a pamphlet "Europe-Many Tongues,One Voice" referring to need for unification just like it happened in Babylon.



Now,where European rulers have signed new constitution of the Union?
Capitoline Hill, Rome, October 29, 2004 - Signing the new EU constitution in the Appartamento dei Conservatori, Sala degli Orazi e Curiazi, before the bronze statue of Pope Innocent X by Alessandro Algardi.
Well,it wasn't signed before Serbian Patriarch or a Rabbi.


Also,the signings of restructure of the Union,where member states are gonna lose its independence and Eu(official Brussels) is going to be asked for everything.The signing of Treaty of Lisbon(2007).States previously lost its monetary independence by creating European Monetary Union(EMU) and its currency "euro".
This signing wasn't in front of an synagogue or an Orthodox Church.


Symbolism is obvious.

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Re: Oh Israel, today you are Serbia!
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 05:33:52 AM »
The bible is not science book. From Judaic point of view, evolution is an acceptable theory and so is the big bang theory. It is true that atheist basically hijacked the evolution theory and use it as a 'proof' that hey are right and that the bible is false.

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Re: Oh Israel, today you are Serbia!
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 05:48:13 AM »
The bible is not science book. From Judaic point of view, evolution is an acceptable theory and so is the big bang theory. It is true that atheist basically hijacked the evolution theory and use it as a 'proof' that hey are right and that the bible is false.
Evolution is not compatible with the Bible at all.Nor the "Big Bang" fairy tail is.
And you have to inform your self about the scientific facts that proves every word written in the Bible.Bible is a scientific book,also.

I didn't know that evolution is acceptable in Judaism,if it's true than it means that part of Judaism got ill just like a part of Christianity.Today,liberal Christianity is "hit" as a theology which makes compromise with a sin,that's why so called Christian countries and nations(even there is no 1 such a country,today) are falling a part.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 06:05:45 AM »
In Judaism there is no single pope who controls the whole faith. Some rabbis reject evolution because they find it too contradicting with the bible, but most rabbis don't reject it. For most rabbis and most Jews (pure) science and religion are too different things they don't mix.

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Re: Oh Israel, today you are Serbia!
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 06:17:27 AM »
The bible is not science book.

True. It expalins what is true and what is false, and the ultimate criterion is the G-d's will. Science answers the question how the physical world works but not why it works so and what is the ultimate goal of this or that thing.

From Judaic point of view, evolution is an acceptable theory and so is the big bang theory.

So big bang theory does not contradict the Torah. Torah states that G-d created heaven and earth. It is not Torah's goal to explain the physical processes involved in this.

But evolution theory sharply contradicts Torah. To say that man derived from a monkey is to degrade human's value and responsibility. To say it is not different from other animals, just a bit smarter. This theory is a very convinient basis to excuse bad human behavior by saying that "it is natural" (I don't know if Darwin really meant so but it is often used namely for this).

Besides, Torah clearly says that G-d created man (in Hebrew "Adam") from soil (in Hebrew "Adama").

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Re: Oh Israel, today you are Serbia!
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 06:43:52 AM »
The bible is not science book.

True. It expalins what is true and what is false, and the ultimate criterion is the G-d's will. Science answers the question how the physical world works but not why it works so and what is the ultimate goal of this or that thing.

From Judaic point of view, evolution is an acceptable theory and so is the big bang theory.

So big bang theory does not contradict the Torah. Torah states that G-d created heaven and earth. It is not Torah's goal to explain the physical processes involved in this.

But evolution theory sharply contradicts Torah. To say that man derived from a monkey is to degrade human's value and responsibility. To say it is not different from other animals, just a bit smarter. This theory is a very convinient basis to excuse bad human behavior by saying that "it is natural" (I don't know if Darwin really meant so but it is often used namely for this).

Besides, Torah clearly says that G-d created man (in Hebrew "Adam") from soil (in Hebrew "Adama").

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Actually it says "עפר מן האדמה" but yes, from soil, is soil just as 'degrading' as an Ape ? Do you really understand it so literally that God played with mud, then puffed on it and walla- man ! I think you can understand the bibles description as saying that Man is made from the same matter that the rest of the earth is made, but that man also has רוח a soul that God gave only to man. There is nothing between such a philosophical-religious statement to evolution. Besides evolution is not a pure scientific theory, it is basically a principle, but it is not a physical entity such as gravity or electricity.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 04:37:13 AM »
Actually it says "עפר מן האדמה" but yes, from soil, is soil just as 'degrading' as an Ape ?  I think you can understand the bibles description as saying that Man is made from the same matter that the rest of the earth is made, but that man also has רוח a soul that G-d gave only to man. There is nothing between such a philosophical-religious statement to evolution. Besides evolution is not a pure scientific theory, it is basically a principle, but it is not a physical entity such as gravity or electricity.

It is not deranging because it doesn't say "man evoluted from soil, i.e man is an upgrade of soil". Soil (matter) was a "natural resource" to create human's body. But man is absolutely new creature.  You said correctly:  "Man is made from the same matter that the rest of the earth is made, but that man also has רוח a soul that G-d gave only to man".  Man is commanded to fulfill G-d's will here, in physical world, so to do this he has a physical body.

Do you really understand it so literally that G-d played with mud, then puffed on it and walla- man !

G-d really created man from soil (taken from the place where the Temple afterwards stood). Judaism says so.
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