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Negative Mitzvahs according to Chofetz Chaim
msd:
I said I wouldn't post here anymore, but I guess I broke my promise.
I wanted to say that this passage from JewFaq makes no sense, in particular this part:
--- Quote ---It is a violation of this mitzvah to say anything about another person, even if it is true, even if it is not negative, even if it is not secret, even if it hurts no one, even if the person himself would tell the same thing if asked!
--- End quote ---
Does that mean any stories and anecdotes you tell about other people are bad? That would mean all journalism, all non-fiction, including the Bible, is a violation of this mitzvah!
I guess it's possible that the Bible stories are fictional, and then it wouldn't be a violation of this mitzvah to talk about the various people and their lives in the Bible, since they aren't real.
I'll try not to post here anymore after this.
Also regarding "lashon hara," disparaging speech, I think that includes most of this website and forum posts, which have speech disparaging Muslims, criminal blacks, liberals, and other people. Then again it also includes this paragraph, because I've now disparaged the people here by saying they've committed lashon hara.
As a gentile I'm allowed to break promises and use lashon ha-ra all I want because it's not against any of the Noahide Laws.
It feels like it is, though, like there could be something wrong with it, even though I don't see it listed in the Noahide Laws.
Also that website says that someone who listens to lashon hara is worse than the person who says it or repeats it. I think it said that at that website (maybe it was a different one). Whatever the case, that makes anyone reading my post here, which engages in a bit of lashon hara (criticism, disparaging speech), worse than me! So you better stop reading this!!!!
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I think it's intriguing to consider that the Bible is actually fictional. That way it can not be considered a work that itself is engaging in tale-bearing and lashon hara. It does tell stories that are either positive or negative about individuals. Again, I'm just going by what's said in Jewfaq, specifically that one paragraph which reads, again:
"It is a violation of this mitzvah to say anything about another person, even if it is true, even if it is not negative, even if it is not secret, even if it hurts no one, even if the person himself would tell the same thing if asked! "
Now it's probably the case that whoever wrote that didn't realize the absurdity of what they're saying, because if it's interpreted strictly, it would mean that any time you're talking about another person, like saying "oh I heard so-and-so say this the other day," that it's bad. But is it really? Because that would seriously make ALL journalism, all news reporting, and all non-fiction writing (books, or also movies that are "based on true stories") to be breaking this mitzvot. It seems to imply that Jews are supposed to be a much tighter-lipped people than they are!
And it would imply that the Bible itself is tale-bearing or something like that. Think about it. because the Bible tells tales about people (Moses, Abraham, etc) that are both positive and negative. It's history. All historical writings are considered a violation of this mitzvot!?
Lashon hara. It's something I'm skeptical about. It seems like calling people out for their sins is a good thing? Maybe I'm wrong.
It's confusing to me. I guess it shouldn't concern me that much since I'm a gentile though.
Probably it's just Jewfaq that's stupid. Whoa, this post got a lot longer than i wanted. I kept editing it. Sorry.
msd:
Wait, I just thought of something. If the Bible is written by God, then it couldn't count as lashon hara or tale-bearing, or what the Jewfaq described when it said you can't talk about what people do in any way, positive or negative.
Also it may not be okay for me to commit lashon hara because it could lead to crimes that do violate the noahide laws (for instance, in a court setting, if I testified against someone and lied). I don't know. there's a lot I don't understand.
muman613:
Shalom Alechem Chaverim,
Here is the next installation of negative mitzvahs from the Chofetz Chayims "The concise Book of Mitzvoth".
I will cover negative mitzvahs 101-110:
101. Do not eat bread from the new crop before the Omer offering.
"And you shall eat neither bread, nor Kali, nor Karmel until this very day", Vayikra 23:14
102. Do not eat Kali (five species of grain roasted in fire) from the new grain before the Omer offering
"And you shall eat neither bread, nor Kali, nor Karmel until this very day", Vayikra 23:14
103. Do not eat Karmel (grain crushed by hand and not roasted) from the new grain before the Omer offering.
"And you shall eat neither bread, nor Kali, nor Karmel until this very day", Vayikra 23:14
104. Do not eat Chametz on the day before Passover, after noon.
"You shall eat no leavened bread over it", Devarim 16:3
105. Do not eat the fruit of a tree during the first three years after planting.
"Three years it shall be as forbidden to you; it shall not be eaten", Vayikra 19:23
106. Do not eat the food of the wayward and rebellious son.
"You shall not eat over blood", Vayikra 19:26
107. Do not sow two kinds of seed in one field.
"you shall not sow your fields with two kinds of seeds", Vayikra 19:19
108. Do not slay either a kosher or unkosher animal and its child on the same day.
"and whether it is a cow, or an ewe, you shall not slay it and it's young on the same day", Vayikra 22:28
109. Do not redeem the firstborn of the kosher animals.
"But the firstling of an Ox... you shall not redeem", Bamidbar 18:17
110. Do not come in close contact with your family relations, even without conjugal intimacy.
"None of you shall approach anyone near of kin to him, to uncover nakedness", Vayikra 18:6
Ulli:
Which book is Devarim in English?
Moshe92:
--- Quote from: Pheasant on June 18, 2009, 05:01:09 PM ---Which book is Devarim in English?
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