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DownwithIslam:
Shas endorses pipi for PM and even worse, endorses Ehud Barach as defense minister.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233050185200&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Ulli:
Is Shas a socialist party?

q_q_:

--- Quote from: Pheasant on January 27, 2009, 07:56:41 AM ---Is Shas a socialist party?

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It's a religious party led by rabbi ovadia yosef (you might have heard of him!)

they like the govt to give them money for their yeshivot.. in return they help the govt get elected..

he has been pro Oslo, then he turns and says arabs are snakes. He basically doesn't care what the foreign policy is, as long as he gets money for his yeshivot.  So he argues the halacha whichever way.

Most Sefaradim in israel like him because he's their guy.. it's an ethnic thing.
Like blacks like Obama.

He is a scholar, known for having great sources.. though I have heard that other scholars have said his sources are great but his conclusions are off.

I remember years ago, he said Israel should give land, because it brings PEACE. (that was wrong on 2 counts).. But the obvious fact is that that it wouldn't bring peace.  Many many years later.. he turned.. saying it's still true we should give land when it brings peace, but TRUE peace, and this isn't giving true peace.

(in reality, even if giving land brings peace, we shouldn't do it(from what I have heard from rabbis including rabbi kahane, is we can't even give the enemy a straw from our land). And the idea that we can commit a sin to bring peace, that's also nonsense.. And it won't bring peace.  So he's actually wrong on 3 counts)

Ulli:

--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 27, 2009, 08:04:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pheasant on January 27, 2009, 07:56:41 AM ---Is Shas a socialist party?

--- End quote ---

It's a religious party led by rabbi ovadia yosef (you might have heard of him!)

they like the govt to give them money for their yeshivot.. in return they help the govt get elected..

he has been pro Oslo, then he turns and says arabs are snakes. He basically doesn't care what the foreign policy is, as long as he gets money for his yeshivot. 

Most Sefaradim in israel like him because he's their guy.. it's an ethnic thing.
Like blacks like Obama.

He is a scholar, known for having great sources.. though I have heard that other scholars have said his sources are great but his conclusions are off.

--- End quote ---

OK, but what is Shas general point of welfare?

Like I understand, they are for social aid in many forms.

q_q_:

--- Quote from: Pheasant on January 27, 2009, 08:11:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 27, 2009, 08:04:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pheasant on January 27, 2009, 07:56:41 AM ---Is Shas a socialist party?

--- End quote ---

It's a religious party led by rabbi ovadia yosef (you might have heard of him!)

they like the govt to give them money for their yeshivot.. in return they help the govt get elected..

he has been pro Oslo, then he turns and says arabs are snakes. He basically doesn't care what the foreign policy is, as long as he gets money for his yeshivot. 

Most Sefaradim in israel like him because he's their guy.. it's an ethnic thing.
Like blacks like Obama.

He is a scholar, known for having great sources.. though I have heard that other scholars have said his sources are great but his conclusions are off.

--- End quote ---

OK, but what is Shas general point of welfare?

Like I understand, they are for social aid in many forms.

--- End quote ---

It's meant to be a judaism party..  Judaism doesn't talk about capitalism and communism.. 

they don't have an ideological position about welfare..

but *effectively* they are pro welfare , in the sense that they like it going to them so they can build yeshivot.  It's not a stance of judaism nor is it a stance against judaism. Though judaism gives a thumbs up to growing yeshivot.

infact, one reason why the religious oppose zionism is that they oppose all ideologies , and only accept Torah! (the idea of religious zionism and it being rooted in torah, grew later.. most of them have never heard the idea. But if they did they wouldn't call it zionism. Hence religious zionist parties call themselves National Religious.  Ovadia Yosef is non zionist.. not really national religious - dunno if he claims to be NR. Tzvi is Sefaradi, and likes shas)

actually many Sefaradim are quite right wing but support shas.. for reason mentioned.. ovadia is their man.  and a scholar.  Maybe tzvi knows why they don't support rabbi mordechai eliyahu - another Sefaradi chief rabbi - one rabbi kahane was close to.

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