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What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« on: January 27, 2009, 06:07:04 PM »
The plan by Obama and congressional Democrats to revive the economy is taking shape. Here's what we know so far.

You've probably noticed: The Obama administration and Congress are talking about spending an unprecedented sum of money to try to revive the economy.

President Obama and House Democrats laid down the marker with an $825 billion package of spending and tax cuts.

Dozens of proposals. Hundreds of pages of legislation. Billions of dollars.

What are some of the headline proposals, and what is the debate all about? The legislation is a work in progress, but here is an overview.

Infrastructure

The case for: By investing in renewable energy, health care, education and modern construction projects, the Obama administration expects to create between 3 million and 4 million jobs and address key sustainability issues.

The case against: Opponents argue the spending will lead to a rapidly increasing and unsustainable deficit. They also say that a majority of infrastructure projects will take too long to implement.

Construction projects: $90 billion. Fund the rebuilding of crumbling roads and bridges, build clean water and flood control mechanisms and provide funding for mass transit systems.

Education: $142 billion. Rebuild thousands of schools by modernizing classrooms, labs and libraries. The plan would also increase funding for Pell Grants.

Renewable energy: $54 billion. Double production of alternative energy in the next three years. Weatherize low-income homes, modernize 75% of federal buildings and update the nation's electrical grid with a new, cost-efficient "smart" grid.

Health care records: $20 billion. Modernize the health care system by computerizing all of the nations' medical records in the next five years.

Science, research and technology: $16 billion. Invest in science facilities, research and instrumentation to create new industries, new jobs and medical breakthroughs. Expand broadband Internet access in rural and underserved areas.

State Relief

The case for: As states face budget shortfalls, Obama's plan seeks to help states pay for Medicaid and unemployment benefits. State fiscal relief will be allocated to prevent increases in state and local taxes.

The case against: Opponents say the bill should focus on job creation that will make an immediate impact the economy. Republicans have specifically criticized a provision that would expand a government matching program for states that provide abortion and contraceptive funding through Medicaid. A Democratic official told CNN the House Democratic leaders are planning to remove the provision.

Medicaid: $87 billion. Increase Federal Medicaid Assistance Percentage so states do not have to cut eligibility for Medicaid due to budget shortfalls.

Law enforcement: $4 billion for states and municipality funding for law enforcement.

Safety Net

The case for: Obama proposed temporary programs to protect those most vulnerable to the effects of the recession.

The case against: As with state budget relief, opponents say the bill is too big and should simply aim to create new jobs. Some lawmakers have said some of the "safety net" spending provisions are wasteful, and many have called the bill unfocused.

Unemployment benefits: $43 billion. Extend through December 2009 emergency unemployment insurance assistance to states. Increase weekly unemployment benefits by $25, and provide incentives for states to expand unemployment coverage.

Cobra: $39 billion. Tax credit for recently laid-off employees to help pay for discounted health care. Obama estimates the plan will help 8.5 million people who recently lost their jobs.

Feeding the hungry: $20 billion. Increase food stamp benefits by 13%, and provide support for food banks, school lunch programs and WIC.

Tax Cuts for Individuals

The case for: The president proposed the so-called "Make Work Pay Credit" as part of an effort to spend at least 75% of the package in the first 18 months after its passage. Obama hopes that fast-spending provisions like tax cuts will quickly help low- and middle-income workers in need of spending money.

The case against: Opponents say the size tax cuts do not go far enough and on the whole don't make up a big enough portion of the entire package. Furthermore, they oppose giving tax breaks to people who do not pay taxes.

Middle-class tax cut: $145 billion. Tax cut amounting to $500 a year for individuals and $1,000 for couples. The full credit would be limited to those making $75,000 or less ($150,000 or less for workers filing joint returns).

Low-income tax cut: $5 billion. Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is a refundable credit for low-income workers. Furthermore, the Make Work Pay Credit would be refundable, meaning that even tax filers without any tax liability -- typically very low-income workers -- would receive one.

Child tax credit: $18 billion. Temporary increase in the amount of the child tax credit that would be refundable.

Tax Cuts for Businesses

The case for: In an attempt to get money out quickly to low- and middle-income workers, the president has pushed for tax cuts for certain individuals.

The case against: Opponents say too small of a percentage of the total package -- 2.7% -- goes to small businesses. They also say that much of the proposed tax relief essentially amounts to spending, due to the provisions Democrats placed on the tax credits.

Small business write-offs: Obama would increase the amount of expenses small businesses can write off to $250,000 in 2009 and 2010 from the current $125,000 level.

Tax cuts for companies suffering losses: $17 billion over 10 years. Obama would temporarily broaden the "net-operating loss carryback" to five years, up from two years currently. The provision would let companies apply their 2008 and 2009 losses to past and future tax bills so they can get money back on taxes they've already paid or would otherwise have to pay.
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/106490/Stimulus-101-What's-in-the-Bills

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Re: What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 07:06:19 PM »
THis is very similar to the 'New Deal'  And it will have the same effect.  The gov spending itse way out of slumps NEVER works... and if the democrats took an economic history class they would know this.  But this is even worse... since we are just ENTERING this huge recession... and this can end up being catastrophic.

It will bring us into a recession within a recession... which is what happened in 1938 (While every other country escaped the depression by 1936)

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Re: What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 07:56:42 PM »
THis is very similar to the 'New Deal'  And it will have the same effect.  The gov spending itse way out of slumps NEVER works... and if the democrats took an economic history class they would know this.  But this is even worse... since we are just ENTERING this huge recession... and this can end up being catastrophic.

It will bring us into a recession within a recession... which is what happened in 1938 (While every other country escaped the depression by 1936)

What happened after Roosevelt died and Truman took over?

Remember that after the 1930s and 1940s came the 1950s...a VERY conservative time. So maybe there's hope!
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Re: What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 08:22:53 PM »
The American people are being sold down the river. The Liberal left finally has the American people just where they want them. They will not be happy until they cause the depression that the economy itself is trying so hard to avoid. Small signs of recovery are starting to bubble up however democrats are doing everything in their power to kill it off. Recovery now even small would kill off the excuses for liberals to implement every crazy socialist agenda they have had on their wish list for the past 8 years. Anyone with half a brain watching the news the past few days should see that they can't ram this garbage through fast enough before the public starts to wake up a see that 3/4 of it is totally unnecessary.
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Re: What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 08:48:48 PM »
THis is very similar to the 'New Deal'  And it will have the same effect.  The gov spending itse way out of slumps NEVER works... and if the democrats took an economic history class they would know this.  But this is even worse... since we are just ENTERING this huge recession... and this can end up being catastrophic.

It will bring us into a recession within a recession... which is what happened in 1938 (While every other country escaped the depression by 1936)

What happened after Roosevelt died and Truman took over?

Remember that after the 1930s and 1940s came the 1950s...a VERY conservative time. So maybe there's hope!

it took SOOOO long though.  I dont think we can affoard to wait that long.

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Re: What's really in Obamas stimulus plan
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 08:58:38 PM »
THis is very similar to the 'New Deal'  And it will have the same effect.  The gov spending itse way out of slumps NEVER works... and if the democrats took an economic history class they would know this.  But this is even worse... since we are just ENTERING this huge recession... and this can end up being catastrophic.

It will bring us into a recession within a recession... which is what happened in 1938 (While every other country escaped the depression by 1936)

What happened after Roosevelt died and Truman took over?

Remember that after the 1930s and 1940s came the 1950s...a VERY conservative time. So maybe there's hope!

it took SOOOO long though.  I dont think we can affoard to wait that long.

Truman had major problems with post war unemployment and inflation which made his presidency a nightmare. It was not until well into the Eisenhower years that the economy settled down for a while.
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